I think that its absolutely plain ludicrous. I think they have a 0% chance. Its ron and hermione all the way, as i say!!! Harry is too infectuated by Ginny to even notice Hermione and Hermione has definately realised her crush on Ron by now, even if Ron hasnt!!!
I think he's already seen the light - since GoF when he's like "I've completely missed the point" He's just very subtle and shy about revealing his feelings toward her because they have a history and all.
I'm sure he'll find the courage to tell her how he feels (if Hermione hasn't noticed by now) in the 7th book.
i dunno. i think he kind of has realised his feelings deep down but he hasnt. i feel that hes trying to convince himself that it's not true. i think he will probably realize his feelings when hermione is in danger and he feels it is now or never!!!
Ron is frustrated, I think we can all see that. The problem is how Hermione feels. There hasn't been one instance where we see the world through her eyes. We know plenty little as to what she is thinking or feeling, and we have to work off the impressions she leaves on other characters.
yeah. i think hermione has worked out her feelings for ron after that ron and lavender incident. i think that deep down she is a very emotional delicate person but she tries to hide it by hiding behind books!!!
precisely. She tries to look brave and defiant, but in reality she's so fragile...but what about the fact that Ron constantly berates her for this and that? Does that mean he'd be abusive in a relatiosnhip?!
No way! You can see that he's very caring in that he cursed Draco (although it backfired on him) because he called Hermione a mudblood. Ron is not the type of person to be abusive. They're teenagers and are starting to I guess find their ground. They like to bicker because they get each other's attention. :)
So bickering is the main way for Ron and Hermione to get each other's attention, and he sticks up for her, while she does what for him? What I'm interested in, is what does she do that makes Ron notice her? Is it on purpose, or does Ron notice her actions because of frustration or something else?
i think that ron notices her simply because she isnt like other girls. she has a kind heart and she loves her friends so much. also she has been around him for the past 6 years and im sure the yule ball ncident would have impacted on ron in some kind of way.
hey, would anyone like to join me and some others. we will be meeting up at 10:30 on wed and thurs on the ron and hermione page in shipper groups. anyone up for it???
hey...sorry, ive been busy the last few weeks....well, no, im not american, but i live in their backward neighbour to the north, and the time difference is roughly 5 hours i imagine, relative to greenwich...how about we meet here on Monday, August 28, at 4:00pm local time(here), and perhaps around 11:00am at where you are...
hi, i am so sorry i havent been able to reply! i thought that this sight had gone old or something! sorry if you were just waiting, how about the 7th of august. why dont you sign up to the newsround harry potter site, it is really good! the people there are amazing and it is so much fun to talk to them! my user name there is hermioneronlover! OK, please reply soon.
otherwise i was thinking we could discuss this thing over email cause with university I'm up to my neck in studying and I can steal a minute here and there...
pleeeeease join on to the site!!! YOUR IN UNI! OMG! I AM REALLY SORRY, BUT I DIDNT THINK YOU WERE THAT OLD! I AM REALLY SORRY BUT EVRY1 ELSE ON THAT SITE IS LIKE WAY YOUNGER THAN YOU!!!
I think that they make good friends, but they wouldn't do well in a romantic relationship. Hermione is always worried about Harry anyways, and if they went out it would just be worse. Harry would get annoyed with it, Hermione would get mad about it, and it just wouldn't last.
Ok, well, thing is, they never were a pair to begin with. Harry was never attracted to Hermione and vice versa. I mean if Harry was in any way attracted to Hermione, why didn't he try to pursue her before? Or if Hermione had a thing for Harry, why wasn't she bothered when Harry had the hots for Cho? It was just out in the open since Book One.
I think it's because of the chemistry of Emma and Dan on film that made people THINK there is something between their characters. It is possible that Dan and Emma had a thing for each other before - you know never know. But as for Harry and Hermione - there was nothing between them except friendship.
are you sure? I've heard of a...theory, for a lack of a better word, that subconsciously they're in love, but haven't realized it to the conscious level as of yet...
On the one side, that's something I don't fully understand, and it could be complete bullshit. On the other, when I attempt to use the two cells that make up my brain (the rest is filled with compressed air :p) it does make some sort of wishy-washy sense...
Exactly, no chance. That has already been established. Everyone on here's just agreeing, how boring's that? Where are all the old ones, like H/Hr, Devanbalcombe and Blueloverfae?
Sorry, didn't mean to post twice. And no I don't think it's suspicious at all. It's funny, as Harry and Hermione have about as much chance as a chocolate kettle, but arguments are fun!
Yup, it was this site before the forum closed down. It was fun. :-(
And Sum1/H/Hr, why on Earth do you continue to live under such delusion? Ron's jealous of Krum, but Harry wasn't. Harry hasn't mentioned Hermione in the way he most emphatically has Cho and Ginny, even though he dictates the books. Hermione is better at hiding her feelings, but she wants Ron to ask her to the ball next time. She never mentioned Harry.
Yea right Sum1! You would be sorry to have gotten into a fight with me! You are out of your mind to think that Harry ( who loves Ginny) and Hermione ( who loves Ron) would ever date. They are just friends!!
Well now you got me to deal with. And I don't do 'tea-time chit chat' as you put it.
And a shell really? So Ron saying he LOVES Hermione and her kissing him and them holding each other at the funneral mean nothing. Wow. I did not know that. I really throught that Jo said that it was Ron adn Hermione, too.
Do you really think that they are the type of people to go and have a one night stand type of relationship? Cause from how Jo discribes them they don't seem like that kind of people.
And they could be like a house of cards. That was made of solid rock.
alright....I can deal with you too...it should be a walk in the park ;)
how about tea-time chit-chat after that? :p
you know, i don't recall ron and hermione kissing in the funeral scene...hermione was crying, and ron was just holding her...or maybe I've got faulty memory :/
either way, it's what a best friend does no?
if jk said, go and jump off a cliff, and you did it, that would represent your belief in the interviews she gives....she said r/Hr, but it was a question...not a statement. She wants to keep you in the dark as much as possible for book 7...for all i know, hermione could end up with victor krum...
and r/hr itself would be one great big italian soap opera with a tragic ending...you're right, their relationship is like a rock...they've fought from day 1, and that's not gonna change anytime soon...;)
Fine. I've dealt with worst. Lovey, what would you like to talk about after you see the light?
Yea, but that was a step closer together. For Ron and Hermione. Ron and Hermione were friends but you can't be friends with someone your in love with! Didn't you hear Ron say that? Cause he did.
And Krum is going to be back in Book 7. Jo said so. And he will gave them that final push that they need towards each other.
You are right they probably will never stop fighting, but what couple evr not fight? None.
And I would jump off a cliff, with a bungee cord. It looks like fun.
hm, im not sure...i'll let you pick the subject :)
and since when has ron been the world's foremost fictional authority on the affairs of the heart?
trust me, when it comes to love, most guys are utterly clueless when they have to think about it...and i can assure you, with me being a guy...
the difference here, ron wasn't thinking when he said it...he was focused on his essay and on getting rid of lavender...hermione may have possibly crossed his mind then, but probably wasn't being serious about it at the time...
and i'd much rather jump off a bridge...don't you think there's a good chance of hitting the cliff-face?
Never but still he loves her. I know guys are clueless. I am just saying that they are at least a little aware that they are in love with someone. Yea his heart knows that he is in love with her. His heart just hasn't talked to his brain in a while. lol.
Good point it would be better to jump off a bridge than to jump off a cliff.
alright then...how's about we talk about...sports?cars? :p...or something else you like to talk about...
Ron's big problem is jealousy...he acted on impulse when Ginny, well...let him know the state of his love life, and he went after lavender, only to prove a point to ginny...correspondingly, he might see hermione as a prize, in the manner that he got something harry didn't for once...and the way he upsets Hemrione, on purpose...don't get me started...whatever did she do to him?!
instead of bungy jumping...what about skydiving? I've always wanted to try that out...
Cars-fav would have to be the Porsche. There are the best. Esp the red convertibles. : )
True very true Ron does act on impluse. And he loves her. Can't you see that? He wouldn't she her as a prize. He so would never try to lord it over Harry that he was dating Hermione and not him. Cause Harry wouldn't really care. Since he and Hermione are just friends.
He just acts that way to get her attention. So she will focas all her energy on him instead of something else. And don't you even say Harry to that. She is playing hard to get is, so she tries to get Ron to chase her. Girls do that. I know since I am one. It works too. Guys want what they can't have. At least most do.
True sky-diving does look like fun. Really want to learn to surf, thru.
oh yes! Porsche's my favourite too...especially the 911 coupes *drooools*...
*snaps out of it*
ahem, well, back on topic...
just because ron is impulsive proves nothing...if he did so with lavender, how do u know the same won't happen with hermione and she comes out broken hearted? Trust me, I've seen real relatinships of the type r/hr and they fall apart very quickly...
and since when is hermione the flirty type!! Either i've completely missed the picture, or she got a personality makeover in a fortnight...
I've met girls like that, and i do like the challenge, but to keep going for 3-4 years...even im not willing to go for that long (if we assume ron is supposedly in love with hermione since year 3 or so...)
surfing would also be fun i agree...i'd rather do it off australia, but california isn't bad either...where would u go?
Totally they rule!!!! The 911 are really cool. My dad used to re-build them. Love them. My one friend, won't say her name hear cause she thinks I am weird being part of a R&Hr site a little too far, anyway she thinks GTO's are the best. We plan on racing them one day, so I can prove her wrong, of cousre.
Anyway....
Because they are opposites, Opposites atract. They are like Yin-and-Yang! : ) Harry and Sirus said that they act like Mr and Mrs Weasly and they fight all the time but they ended up married!!
And the whole playing hard to get is only a little flirty. And she is after him, girls go to the extrems to get a guy if they really want him. I know. Plus since when does she use Mac Laggen, or whatever his name was, to get Ron jealous. She even said that was her plan, to get him jealous. I was thinking he was in love with her since the whole Yule Ball thing.
Any where warm and witha beach. I am sick of super cold with no snow.
hehe...I'm afraid to say your friend is slightly mistaken...the GTO is made for acceleration, not top speed...and besides, the 911 beats it on both counts...no competition even ;)
but still, if you're looking to prove it to her, look up the porsche cayman s...
it's 20 000 cheaper than a carrera and still does over 250 km/h
Opposites don't always attract...if you're sweet and nice, you wouldn't want to be together with some jackass who does nothing but fight with you...some fighting is okay, yes, but constantly? come on...
to put it bluntly, this is the case with ron and hermione...she'd rather be with her books than have a row with Ron after a failed attempt to make peace...and he upset her more than once in HBP by imitating her rudely...yup, classic Ron.
and im not sure who hermione was trying to make jealous...could've been ron, yes, because she was scared of harry and that's why he backed away from him...or to be more precise, the prophecy is what scared her...but that's another story...anywho... the yule ball scene was interesting...again, harry's clueless that hermione actually likes him when she talks non-stop about harry to krum...ron just spoiled the whole thing, and he was caught up in the im-jealous-of-harry period, remember?
somewhere sunny would be nice...it's like that here too, and im sick of it as well...
but im gonna meet the new year in a beach chair on miami beach...so i'll be gone for a week to sunny paradise ;)
Uh, I don't know much about cars, but I can kick anyone's ass at arguing about Ron and Hermione's relationship, and it seems Issy might need a little help.
OK, delusion over. I've told you before, their fights are UST. It's the only way they can relieve the emotions inside themselves without moving Harry Potter from a children's book to the adult section. She picks fights with him. Why else would she mention Krum so much? Harry DOESN'T CARE! He said 'I don't mind if Hermione comes to the ball with Krum'. He doesn't like her.
Ron, on the other hand, goes insane with jealousy. Krum was moving in on HIS territory. She wanted him to ask her next time. She doesn't like Harry that way. Don't you think he at least would have mentioed it? He narrates the books! He keeps going on about how much he likes Ginny. Not Hermione. Tell me, are you so insane with pride you go through your book replacing Ginny's name with Hermione's, just so Harry will have a 'monster in his chest' over her instead?
And why on Earth do you dismiss what JK says? Do you not think she might have the slightest idea about who the characters SHE INVENTED might like? Or is this JK an evil R/Hr shipper in disguise, just to sway you poor pumpkin pie shippers into doubt?
well well...ms. In Denial herself has graced us with her presence...welcome back by the way...
first things first...leave cars alone. they've got nothing to do with any relationship...
and this time i'll be frank...you're the one under a delusion here. You make up your mind and then have the flexibility of a rock...
the only reason ron was jealous was that he wasn't a famous wizard like krum and because he was left to the wayside...
if krum was encroaching on ron's territory, then why in the world did krum ask HARRY if there was anything going on between him and hermione? WHY not ron, if he was the damsel in distress here? i think krum saw the reality of the situation when he asked harry...
he didn't mind, because he's got it in his head that voldemort is his only destiny, and any romantic involvement would only bring danger to the girl, and therefore, he doesn't spend too much time in committment and worry over girls...world - voldwemort = harry and hermione ;)
can't u see what love really is? It's support, understanding, the occasional fight, teamwork, being worried sick about your better half, enjoying each other's company...these are all qualities the HHr relationship shares, and not all of them are present in r/hr of h/g...
and are u serious? i already know why it's gonna be hhr...where did u come up with teh monster in the chest deal?! either im seeing things or u've got too much free time on your hands to think up something like that...
Thank you Katrina!!!! I could use a little help tring to save Sum from his own crazy-ness. Lol.
You are not one to throw stones yuo know that? You the one under delusion, get it in to your head Harry and Hermione are just friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He doesn't want Krum to sweap Hermion eoff her feet before he gets a chance to win her heart. And he asked Harry because that Sneaker woman was making up lies to sell a sroy. Do you know any thing about journalism??? It is all about selling the stroy. No matter who gets hurt in the way.
No (insert your choice of swears here) way that Harry and Hermione will ever date!!!!!!!!! They are just friends!!!!!!!!!
Harry does think that his one destany is to fight Volde but he, as in Harry, loves Ginny. Ginny weasly! Not Hermione Granger.
And in case you forgotHermio9ne was worried sick about Ron when he was posioned. Just as Ron was when she was perterfied, he faced spiders his greatest fear, just to try and save her.
You need help, dude. It is Ron-and-Hermione all the way. And Harry-and-Ginny. And the Monster in the Chest deal was in the books!!!!! In case you never read HBP. Which I am starting to think that you never did.
250 km/h is about 156 mph...if u want anything faster, look up the porsche GT3...
*sigh* alright...back to square 1
just wondering, are you really frustrated with this?
right now. harry and hermione are just friends, but they have the potential for more...in book 7, we'll see if that's true or not...
and yes, i know perfectly well what journalism is...krum asked harry, not because of skeeter, but because of hermione constantly talking about harry...after all, if it's common knowledge that skeeter has the same credibility as trewalney, why should krum believe what she has to say?
and in case you had forgotten, in the ootp fiasco, harry was losing his mind over hermione when she was hit with the curse...i believe at that time, ginny was absolutely nowhere to be found...why didn't harry run after her if she's his so-called soulmate?
i've read HBP twice, and quite thoroughly too...i was just surprised when katrina said that i replaced ginny's name with hermione's whenever there's a chest-monster scene...honestly, really amusing thought...first time i've heard it!! she'd make a great regular comedian :)
Um, actually, Harry was just as guilty over Neville getting cursed as Hermione. Gonna ship that now?! He was only feeling guilty because it was his fault they were even there! He wouldn't even let Ginny go in the first place, because he didn't want her to get hurt.
And thanks for the comedienne thing, but that was SUPPOSED to be an argument. Laughing at it is uncalled for. :P
Here we go, destroy your delusion bit by bit:
Krum challenged Harry because 1 he's had a few too many bludgers to the head ;)
2 He wouldn't believe that Hermione could fall for such an ordinary bloke as Ron, but that's love, isn't it? Falling for someone unlikely.
3 That's who she's been talking about becuase she was ANGRY with Ron. She's worried about Harry AS A FRIEND but she knows Ron isn't in any danger, so she's not that worried. Harry even said it 'NO!' he said firmly (ie he was disgusted by the idea of doing THAT with Hermione) 'Because we're FRIENDS' HE said so. Jo says so. Face facts.
And i don't need ANY flexibility with this. In a matter of months i'm gonna be proved right. I just hope you'll have the grace to accept it. :D I need as much persuasion on this as i do in my belief that trees grow green bit up. It's just true. There's no counter-argument.
Finally, love=the person who completes you.
Ron is the only person who can make Hermione laugh, smile, cry. He keeps her human. With Harry, she'd be constantly worried out of her wits, being perfect to keep him going. She doesn't need that! She needs to relax, to argue, to let emotion out.
Ron needs the girl who will keep him from slacking off, show him his true potential, make him believe in himself.
The good ship sails.
I only hope that one day I get the same love they have.
That and to gloat sickeningly when you realise your error. ;-)
Sweet! 156 m/h. Puts Harry's Firebolt to shame. That broom only goes 150 m/p. lol.
Nope, I'm not frustrated with this.
Probably did get 1 too many bludgers to the head.
Harry wasn't even sure where Ginny was right at that moment. Plus it wasn't like he didn't have alot to think about at that second.
She's right everyone knows it's Ron and Hermione. At least the people who know what is going down in book 7. Namely the person writing it!!!! Plus Harry adn Hermione are practicly sibs.
And I adgree with Katrina. They balance each other out. Like Yin and Yang.
Katrina if you ever do become a commedienne, I swear I'll come see your act.
Hi, I'd like to join this argument, I've convinced at least 3 of my friends to ship R/Hr, so I guess I'm pretty good at it. There's this website called... www.harryloveshermione.com, and it's seriously the BIGGEST joke I've ever seen. Let's just say I sent the webmaster a real 'heart to heart' e-mail and she replied back accusing me of spelling a word wrong, cursing me out, and telling me that her website is now closed. Hm, I replied asking where on her website it said that it's closed, and then the next day, I saw a big message on her home page saying how it WAS closed. She has this whole wall of shame place where basically, all the R/Hr shippers' e-mails end up. She calls us trolls, jackasses, and all of the other cruel names that there are. Anyway, I didn't mean to go on and on about this "website." But you should check it out and send her an e-mail with your thoughts and tell me what she replies. Oh, and *cough* Sum1 *cough* needs to WAKE UP! It's Ron and Hermione. End of story. Goodbye, the end. Any questions? ((Thanks for the funny comment Loonie_Julie.))
She is completely crazy! Can't beleive that she puts the letters from R/Hr shippers on the wall of shame!!! Even Jo said it was Ron and Hermione!!!!!!!!!
"Sum" people needs to see what is right in front of their face. Lol, but it's true.
Don't think i'm on their side or anything insane like that, but these people have a right to an opinion. We are simply good people trying to show them the error of their ridiculous shipping ways, and guide them onto the good ship, so they don't get utterly humiliated when book seven comes out. We're not going to do that by cussing them out. They'll just get angry and defiant, or leave. I don't want either. Besides, if you consider that 'fighting' run away and hide under the bed now. You're not ready for the real world. Persuaduing friends is an entirely different situation to some of the nasty, personal people you meet on the web.
And have you noticed that you've only put forward one argument? That JK said so. I know it's true, but we need a barrage of facts, quotes, theories etc.
We're not gonna win by saying 'Ron and Hermione are so cute together lol'.
It's true, again, but unlikely to convert many people from the Dark Side.
Honestly, I agree with you...we're not perfect either, the harmony ship has its, for a lack of a better word, @$$holes too...apparently that web master is one...
and yes, the site is a complete joke...portkey is much more serious in the regards to analysis and everything else that goes along with that...
now to destroy your illusion :)
1. Krum didn't get hit by too many bludgers...actually ron got clubbed by a troll and now thinks he loves hermione...krum saw the light and ron's still seeing stars...
2. Yup, love is falling for someone you least expected, but...we don't exactly know what krum believes, cause we don't know his character really well, and therefore we can't make these assumptions...i'd speculate he was overwhelmed by Hermione's attitude and reason more than anything else...he's just wondering how blind harry could possibly get...
3. Yes, I'd be happy to face facts...but if we stretch that thought, then Harry wondered if Krum saw him as a rival. For the tournament? No. For Hermione's heart? Yes...The only reason he couldn't dwell on it, is because a distraction stole his attention right after that and he forgot about it entirely...
Think about it...sort out 2 or 3 moments in the books (GOF to HBP) where Harry and Hermione are talking, one on one, and then Ron, Ginny, or some other interruption occurs to stop them...Take away those distractions, and imagine where the conversation would go...
How could possibly Ron complete Hermione?! Either you really said that, or I'm losing my mind...Throughout HBP, he constantly upset her, imitated, insulted and downplayed her...and you're telling me that makes her happy?
Harry completes her...they have rows, yes, but far less than r/hr...they each bring out the best in one another...and I'd elaborate but this post is getting much too long...
And yes, if R/Hr indeed happen, I'll be disappointed, but I'm prepared to accept it. Then you can gloat till you burst for all I care...I just hope you're ready to accept defeat if the scales swing my way...and then I'll be the guy on the street with the idiotic grin on his face ;) Like this:
1) Ron would be dead if he got hit by a troll club. He nearly was, whilst defending Hermione.
2) Attitude and reason?! He watched her in the library, reading for weeks. He hasn't seen her make illegal otions, steal from an ex-Death Eater, punch Malfoy, or refuse to leave Ron when she and Harry could have easily escaped Sirius. He saw the fake side, the act she puts on, not the real her. Not the side Ron knows and loves.
3) Rita Skeeter is a skilled journalist, and as such would do anything for a good story. Hermione had crossed her, so she did the ickiest thing she could to her: suggest, in a national paper, that she liked (and dated!) her practically-brother. Don't forget, it also said she was playing Krum against him. It's either not true, which it isn't because Harry didn't care whereas Ron got insanely jealous, or she's a complete ho for two-timing the boy-who-lived. Choose.
I can easily imagine how that conversation would go 'Harry, i'm so worried about you (as a friend, platonic friend!)' 'Stop worrying Hermione. Get off my back (because i'm and angsty teenager who takes all his anger out on you, but never Ginny!)' 'Honestly, Harry, you're worse than Ron!' Both storm off. Easier with the interruptions, really.
Yes Ron completes Hermione. There isn't a girl alive who would want some sappy pathetic little puppy who just agrees with her all the time. We NEED arguments, we need passion. I've said before, it's a deadly mix of jealousy and UST. One quick shag, and the pair of them would stop most of their fighting, you'll see. He does it partly for attention. Don't you remember little boys pulling girls' hair in the playground to get them to notice them? When you're competing with a world-class quidditch star, you've got to take all the oppourtunities that come your way!
Harry and Hermione would eventually end up miserable. They hardly ever fight, because here's no passion! He'd go off and sulk, and she'd be left with all this pent-up emotion to deal with on her own. Besides, Harry's a hero. She'd become the perfect hero's helper. Not what any girl wants, being perfect is just too much work (I don't know how I do it sometimes). She needs someone to let her be human, to feel, to release the supressed Hermione she so rarely shows. Except when she's with Ron.
Finally, you show the ultimate flaw in your argument. You don't beleve in what you say. I'd never accept Harry/Hermione, because it's sick and wrong and practically incest. It'd be like Ron/Ginny. Bleurgh.
Besides, I won't gloat. I'll just smile contendedly, knowing I am right. Again. :)
Well, now that we're ranting in novel-length posts...I'll pick yours apart end to beginning...
You know, I think you have what people call a wooden head...you can knock at it all you want and nothing's gonna happen...but still, there has to be a crack somewhere...
The difference is, R/Hr fight over trivial problems that have absolutely no consequence, and they're ready to destroy their already rocky friendship over them...H/Hr on the other hand, fight more rarely, but it's much more deep and intense...take that episode before they went off to the department of mysteries...and i think i might've said this before, but it backs up my point quite splendidly...what was at stake in that particular argument, was someone's life, not some rat that was later found alive and well, to my dismay i might add...eventually, what calmed harry is hermione saying voldemort's name...and ron resolutely refuses to do such an impossible feat...really, if he can't deal with reality and hermione can, how is that supposed to work?
you still don't see the point? No, you say...alright, lemme put it another way...the stuff-HHr-argue-about-is-much-more-im-po-r-t-a-n-t-than-the-pointless-R/Hr-bickering...
me and my sister argue about the same stuff r/hr do...and if you're backing up your statement...then I seriously think your notions are completely disgusting...
I completely understand that girls need passion in a relationship...but if your idea of passion is your guy imitating you and saying "I told you so!!", and then giving no thought what-so-ever as to what your feelings might be...i agree, anger and the strong desire to murder that guy are quite passionate =)
And you back me up yet again...too much jealousy, as is the case in R/Hr, always kills romance...and that shag...well, it's not happening without the romance. Sorry. :)
I certainly remember the good ol' days...i did that too, but it was such a long time ago...and Ron arguing with Hermione...true, he does it for attention, but that's only so he could feel important...he pictures an idealistic relationship with absolutely no problems once he and Hermione "fall in love and live happily ever after"...sounds too cliche and JK would never write that...
"Honestly, Harry, you're worse than Ron! Well, you're not!"...nice try :) And they were talking, not arguing, at that point in the great hall. And who stormed off?! Cho?
I'll give you another example...Harry arrives at the burrow, and the next morning, he and hermione are talking about the prophecy, or something about voldemort...I don't have the book in front of me...but it was just before ginny walked in and fleur shortly after that...if you notice, it's Harry and Hermione slipping into their own realm of...attitude can you call it, or that special trait in their relationship that isolates them from the surroundings for an instant...u might not get what im talking about, but it's worth a shot...
Your proposition is true and not true...Hermione can date other guys and that doesn't make her a ho...and rita could be right...remember, nothing is as it appears in hp...
Hermione's been a bad girl, because of her adventures with harry...the intellect only helps ;)
Wow, novel-length is right. Anyway, down to ripping your argument to shreads, and with all these cracks it won't be hard. ;)
You are seriously trying to tell me Hermione is a 'bad girl'?! Sounds like someone's fantasies are spilling into their perception of the story. Hermione has broken the rules occasionally, it's true, but have you noticed how its always Harry gettig her to do them? Ron doesn't want her in danger. Harry, however, doesn't appear to give a rat's ass if she gets eaten by a werewolf/petrified by a basilisk/fights Death Eaters in the department of mysteries/follows Snape and Voldemort at age ELEVEN etc.
Talking about important stuff is occasionally necessary, but boring and depressing. She's always trying to cheer the little emo up! What kind of a life is that?! Spending all your time never smiling, being serious, sensible and loveless. Harry NEVER makes her laugh. He cares about her AS A FRIEND, but one of the most important (number 2) reasons not to date someone is if they don't make you laugh. She's either going to do what you say, and die utterly miserable, or go with Ron, and actually have fun.
You think Rita Skeeter is right? That Hermione dated Krum (who she often insists she's 'just friends' with) at the same time as Harry through a love potion. Sure. Come on, you have to be ashamed of writing that, don't you? It's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. ('Mrs Weasley, you don't believe that article Rita Skeeter wrote, do you? Because Hermione and I are just friends'. Duh! By that standard of dumb-argument, Harry/Giant squid could actually happen. (He threw it toast! It's love!)
You have no right to say what Jo would or would not write! You won't believe her many, MANY interviews where she says 'Yes, we now know it's Ron/Hermione'. Ron is a bit immature. So he gets her attention (no-one else's) by arguing. Hermione's not totally faultless in this respect either. When Harry kissed Cho, she gave him good, solid advice on how to fix his problems with her. She doesn't give one if he kisses other girls, she's happy for him. When Ron kissed Lavender, she attacked them, cried, sulked for weeks. She was JEALOUS! It was so cute. She even said 'I thought he'd annoy Ron most.' Harry was amazed at the lengths girls would go for revenge. REVENGE! He'd hurt her. He's hers, and he went off kissing a slut. If I was her, I wouldn't just stop at murderous canaries and pretending to date his rival. He practically cheated on her! She'd plucked up the courage to ask him to the party, and Harry was totally ok with it (remember? It's even what he thought in hs own head, so he couldn't have just been putting a brave face on it for their sakes). Ron said yes, then kissed Lavender. I'd have bloody murdered him. You can't deny that Ron's jealous of Hermione with Krum. He adored him until he went out with Hermione, after which he was always 'Bulgarian git' or 'Vicky'.
Jealousy is sweet. It's posessiveness that kills romance. They're related, but SO different. If someone's posessive, they don't really care about the other person. Jealousy, however, is a universal human emotion which can be very cute. Between those two, it is. They can't help it. They're jealous because they don't think the person they love loves them back. Aww.
I am in no way suggesting you like your sister in the way Ron and Hermione like each other. Sorry if you thought it. Eurgh. All siblings bicker, but so do all couples. How can you make a distinction between the two? By realising that they're not related. Every relationship is different, I grant, but Hermione's not gonna fall for some angsty little hero. Simple as.
Thanks for saying I have a wooden head. It was perhaps the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. I'm welling up here. How can I return such a sweet comment? Um, I know: You have a wooden heart, to not see such a beutiful romance emerging. And possibly need glasses, as you can't see what's right in front of you.
Perhaps I went a little OTT there, but at least i'm not OOC!
I would have said it was a faultless argument, but hey, it's you. You'll find a way. You always do.
Hmm, let's see...ah, ok, Chapter XIXCVIXIV of this debate :)
I guess I should re-phrase my meaning...I'm not referring to Hermione being a bad girl in THAT sense...I mean, if she isn't a bookish personality, as you say, she does have a more....badly behaved side to her character (did that sound as corny as I think it did?)
and who brings it out? Harry of course...and you backed me up on that :) She does it for his sake, I'll give you that, but that allows her to know her possibilities and limits better...
Now, if you haven't noticed, Harry is unable to control much of what goes on around him...being able to talk to snakes doesn't guarantee his control over the basilisk...it was thanks to Hermione's research that he understood the beast's true nature, but there was nothing he could do in that instance...
she had a choice in tracking snape...she could've said no, but if I recall correctly, she agreed to do it... but let's be straightforward here...any eleven year old would be excited to go on a detective mission...and by that moment in PS, all of them were already too deep in to get out...
fighting death eaters is something that is part of Harry's life as a moving target, and being associated with him, Hermione becomes one as well...voldemort attempts to break his opponents emotionally and then finish them off for good...and harry - hermione = disaster...I think you saw harry's reaction when hermione was hit by dolohov's curse...he couldn't even think!! what I'm saying is, hermione has accepted a risk by being harry's friend, and she knows very well, just like him, that he cannot control every single source of danger...he even attempted to leave her behind for protection a number of times...
take the end of HBP...he handed her the Felix felicis, hoping it will assure her safety...a few bruises, but she came out ok...he did take into consideration ginny and ron, but seemed to focus mostly on hermione, and her particular safety...
again, you demonstrate your admirable ability to take everything jk says, and the quotes, quite literally. I'm not saying rita skeeter is a saint...im saying that in suggesting harry and hermione are a couple, she lays some sort of patchy groundwork for a potential relationship...not one that really currently (GOF) exists on a romantic level...
I'll give you that Harry doesn't make Hermione laugh often...but as far as I can deduce from the text, he does give her a sense of contentment, peace, worry, and to some extent, happiness...the last of which is not always expressed through laughter, but through the peace of knowing that person will always be beside you in a time of need...and that feeling goes both ways in the HHr case...always.
Hm, if Hermione's advice indeed worked, Harry/Cho would be still together...but the situation is quite the opposite...and her spell of anger, jealousy and spite over the ron-lav lav relationship is completely mysterious to me...ron upset her in the beginning, which hurt her...then he didn't apologize, and went after someone completely irrelevant to the story...shallow? yes. I think Hermione took Ron's insults as as a way of expressing his "feelings" for her, and she put up with it...but lavender put her over the top, and she probably took ron to be playing games with her...so she responds with mclaggen...and now, I find, my brain hurts. :) I'll leave it with u to sort out this mess cause you're better at it than I am obviously....
Angst and jealousy are found between hhr, as well as r/hr, and me and emma, but you're right...possessiveness does kill romance, but it's the next step from too much jealousy...u think when, IF, R/Hr happens, Ron won't be much too protective of hermione?
My heart is wooden, and doc says I might need glasses sometime next year...thanks for the tip tho :P...it should help me see what's under what's in front of me :)
Krum is a Bulgarian git, but so am I. I'll take that as a compliment ;)
I'll gave you the "badly behaved side" but really Sum everyone has that side to them, just some people bring out theirs more. Only a little corny. Ah.... not really. She broke the rules to make sure that Ron made it one the Griffindor Team... not for Harry for Ron.
And they are a Trio. There are 3 of them. They all work together. The 3 of them. Starting to see the way things work here?
I think what you are implying that Hermione was trying to sabatage Harry and Cho relationship. If that was true maybe she was trying to make it so Ginny could have a shot. And I don't remember Harry being all broken hearted about his Break-up wiht Cho.
And she was hurt because maybe she throught Ron was her's? I mean it's not like they are together, YET, but he kinda acts like he is her boyfriend. Acting all protective and not wanting any other guys to go near her. Yet he lets Harry near her, hum wonder way. Maybe cause Harry doesn't like her like that?
And they almost were dating. If he hadn't snogged Lavender Ron and Hermione would have gone off to the Slughorns Party together. As a date! They have gone for fighting to flirting. They are playing hard to get with each other to get each other jealous!
Really jealousy between Harry and Hermione? Coulda fooled me cause I didn't see it. Adn Ron aready is protective of Hermione. Guys sometimes act like that in a realionship. Okay a lot. No ofense to any guys but it's true. You do that. Hate to break it to you.
And I'm not that good at speaking Brit but I don't think 'git' is meant to be a compliment. But think what you want.
A Great White? Cool. I went up to NYC for a few days.
Hi, I know this is a long way off, but I'm just responding to Katrina's comment about me waaay back on January 6th. Um, first of all, if I sound like I'm being mean, I'm sorry. I really don't want to fight with anyone. I know they have a right to their opinion, and I'm not saying anything against that. And when did I ever curse her out? Hm, don't remember saying that. And, I really don't need people saying I'm not ready for the real world, because I've been through a lot more than you could ever know. And I've only put foward one argument because I'm sorta new to the Harry Potter fandom, I started getting into it two months ago, so that's why you haven't seen me all over the internet. So, not to be mean, but maybe you should get your facts straight before you go off on me like that.
Hallie, don't get worked up about it...very soon, you'll discover that Katrina is a very arduous defender of the "good" :p ship...she's got quite the fiery character too, cause me and her have argued for a looong time...and just don't let it get to you :) There's no point in trading insults back and forth. However, if u want to argue the r/hr side....go right ahead.
issy, that's exactly what i mean about hermione...she breaks the rules, more often for her friends' sake than hers, but she also profits from the adventures the trio have...and it's progressed through the years...in HP, she could've easily reported Harry for the dangerous book that he had, but something stopped her...fear? maybe. love? far-fetched, but...still unlikely. Thirst for adventure? the one I find most feasible...as there certainly was a lot adventure in HBP ;)
Hermione was exactly trying to sabotage the harry/cho relationship...and call me blunt, but I don't know what girl would sabotage a relationship for ends that are all her own...like her getting together with the guy...and here, hermione's trying to make harry add 1 and 1...that she likes him.
If H/Hr was the sibling relatinoship it's said to be, then why would Cho get jealous?
I'll take a wild guess...because she felt threatened. The year before, krum confronted harry, because he also felt threatened by him in his quest for hermione's heart...
I'm onto something here, no? ;)
Harry didn't feel much of anything about cho, because he understood it was a superficial relationship...the only thing in common they had was quidditch...
HHr, on the other hand, have a lot of common...traits, let's call them...one, always protective of one another, two, they complete each other's thoughts on occasion,...and down to reason number 8586894586, they're made for each other ;)
Ron not letting any other guys near hermione...not sure that's entirely true...while he was with lav-lav, it's like hermione was invisible...and later on, harry berates her for coming with mclaggen...why would he do that? out of jealousy methinks...because at that point he wasn't goin out with ginny, and everybody around him seemed to be getting in a relationship....so he wants a girl too...too bad it wasn't hermione :/
it's kind of shallow to enforce that, but im just saying what harry was thinking at the time...in real life, let love come to you, and harry should remember that as well...
r/hr...6 years of UST and flirting...i'd've moved on, seeing this is a lost cause, but i guess in some characters it takes a bit longer...
Well, of course guys act protective when they're in a relationship...the ones who care, do it because they want their girl to be truly happy and prevent her from being exposed to the assaults of other competitors...on the other hand, there are those who act protective, because it gives them added confidence of suddenly being "the big man on campus"...and im not one of those guys, but im not sure what u mean by "you do that"...are u suggesting im protective of something...cause i am, but right now im single, so...:/
No, i wasn't referring to the git part...just sayin im bulgarian too :)
were u at time's square? I was three hours away in washington on new year's eve and if only i could've gone...
I know it seemed like I got worked up about it, but that's why I said in the beginning that if it sounds like I'm being mean, I'm not. And a response to Sum1's comments... When Ron was with "Lav-lav" he basically only did that to make Hermione jealous. And when Harry kissed Cho, hm, guess what, Hermione seemed excited. However, when Ron kissed Lavender, she cried and completely ignored Ron half the year. And the 6 years of fighting, well, that's called flirting. Yes, they do get on each other's nerves, but that's because they are trying to cover up, in any way, shape, or form, their true feelings for each other. Well, that's all for now,
Well, I must admit I never thought I'd see the day when H/Hr actually defended me!
Not that I need it, but it's still appreciated. As that was a personal barrage on me, I'll answer that first, then rip your argument to shreads, so you'll just have to wait.
I was, under no circumstances, Hallie, trying to hurt you. Quite the opposite. I was attempting to stop you being torn to pieces by some of the vicious remaining H/Hr shippers out there, as it's really only the very hardcore ones left. The others have given up in the face of irrefutable evidence. When I first started shipping all those years ago, there were plenty of less ardent H/Hr shippers out there to practice on. I was concerned that being thrown right into the deep end could be a bit of a painful experience to someone relatively new. Particularly as you said you guessed you were pretty good because you had convinced three friends...listen, friends are easy. They are your friends for a reason, and will listen to you and not stalk you online, send threatening e-mails etc. Some of these people are mad. Just be careful, you can't be as good as you think you are with only a few month's practice.
I didn't, if you will read, say that you did attempt to curse anyone out. It's just a trap that many new shippers fall into, and I was trying to help steer you clear of it. I don't know what you've been through, it's true, but somehow I doubt it's much worse than I can imagine. That is not why we're on here, and to get all defensive when I offer advice is...unusual. I've never argued with someone who claimed to sail the Good Ship before, but i'm perfectly willing to, if you imply I was 'Going off on you' again.
Try me.
As for H/Hr, Hermione offered very sound advice to Harry over Cho. I would have told him the same thing if he was a boy mate of mine. If he was a boy mate I secretly fancied, I would explain to him that girls love it when you're utterly rude, nasty and generally unpleasant to them. They enjoy it when you play hard-to-get ;) EVERY girl on the planet would sabotage a relationship for her own ends. I'd do it, Issy would do it, i'm sure even Hallie would do it. If a girl tells you otherwise she's lying. We're not particularly nice people when we're jealous.
Cho would get jealous because the second you start dating someone, everyone else is suddenly potential rival, especially if he's a famous, rich, powerful hero. He spends a lot of time with her as a friend, and the utterly paranoid Cho thought it was something other than friendship.
Krum confronted Harry because he hadn't heard himsay 'I don't mind if Hermione comes to the ball with Krum' and he finds it hard to believe that someone as smart as Hermione would want the seemingly unamazing Ron when Harry the Hero is around. He doesn't realise that sometimes, too much heroism is just plain sickening.
Perhaps Harry had little in common with Cho, and yes, maybe that's why it ended so quickly. Harry and Hermione on the other hand, have less in common. They don't finish each other's thoughts (where did you get that from?!), and if you tell me all those reasons I can pull them apart, revealing them as the pure fabrication they are.
They are vaguely protective of each other, but so are all friends. It's what you do for your mates. Ron does it too, and if you'll noticed, Harry's equally protected by and of Ron (remember Ron placing himself between Harry and Sirius, book three, not Hermione between them as the stupid film showed?).
Harry wonders the deapths girls will go to for revenge. He does not berate her for his sake, but his best mate's. Ron actually puls away from making Hermione Jealous with Lavender the second he hears about her going with McLaggen. Hermione says he'd annoy RON most. Not Harry. She's trying to make RON jealous for effectively cheating on her with 'LavLav'.
They can't move on. They love each other and deeply care about each other, but are best friends and so have probably convinced themselves to push it deep down because they shouldn't think of friends like that. Their friendship with each other is still important to them, so they just deal with the UST any way the can ie. fighting. A shame, but would you really want to be the one to tell your best friend you have feelings that run deeper than mere friendship? Didn't think so.
I'll leave out the bit on protectiveness, because i'm tired and i've probably used up a whole page here just by myself.
One little thing to Issy-what language is 'Brit'? I thought we spoke English on here. And no, git it a derogatory term for a (generally male) person. I hadn't actually realised you were anything than British until you said that though, so you're better than you think you are!
I got it, I just don't understand it. I offered advice considering you're new, and you give up entirely. I never intended to particulalrly argue with you. But perhaps if you can't handle some friendly help, it's not completely a bad thing you're giving up before you get hurt.
Katrina, Katrina, Katrina...*shakes head and sighs*
Yes, I'd defend you, because foremost, I'm a person, and after that, I'm a shipper.
And further still...I'm disappointed how you turned down Hallie...you've got a slight complex, to make everyone's business your own...if Hallie wanted advice, she would have asked for it...you cannot assume that she automatically needs it, because she's just entered the world of HP shipping...yes, it gets ugly, but there's no need to portray HHr shippers as some militant (which some are), unbalanced people, who are about as sane as Hitler...
If you find the courage to visit portkey.org you'll find its members are actually quite normal and pleasant to talk to...the oddballs are R/Hr shippers, like yourself, who come on there to cause chaos and upheaval...so I'd re-evaluate that remark, if I were you...if you received threatening messages of any sort, then that's from the oddballs on our side of the pitch...so, the fanatical shippers are mutual to both sides...there's no use pretending it's jsut HHr's :/
Yes, it's true that girls would sabotage a relationship...but it's not entirely black and white now, is it? If a good, or even your best friend, were dating the guy you dream about at night, then would you let jealousy eat you insides forever?Knowing you, probably, given the fantastic amounts of dedication you show...but I'd get over it, and move on.
Now ah, about that part where you said girls enjoy the Neanderthal type of guy...girls do like to play hard to get, and trust me, figuring them (or you) out is a challenge I've been through more than once...still though, girls should go easy on guys, cause guys aren't particularly bright...as you may already know ;)
Ron fits the Neanderthal job description, but Hermione...she doesn't seem the type to get turned on by that particular image...she's after someone who equals her own abilities...and I should say, hers outstrip Ron's by light years...
So how does that relate? Well...Ron and Lavender represent the relationship, which is based on a sugar high, and not much else...we both agree that that doesn't last.
Hermione was jealous and resentful - not particularly towards Ron, but Harry too. At the height of her crisis, Ron and Lavender were an item, Harry and Ginny had started going out, and Harry had Snape's book. Now think, how does that make Hermione feel, and what might be going through her head?
The obvious answer - left out, unneeded, alone.
So, her natural reaction - why should I be alone? To mask her insecurities, and improve her self-confidence, and worthiness, she ran off with McLaggen...who in particular she was trying to make jealous is unclear, because both Harry and Ron reacted furiously to her antics...but they can't blame her, simply because they didn't understand what she was going through...
When you're in a relationship, it's assumed your better half is your confidante and your source of support. Well, it's quite the opposite - R/Lav, was as Ron also put it, "mainly snogging", and the same can be said about H/G...that was the part Harry missed most too, wasn't it? Otherwise, neither said anything of consequence to either girl...it was a form of escapism for both Harry and Ron.
At the same time, we have Hermione,anguishing over her misfortune, and no one paying any sort of attention, except Harry...he did the best he could to comfort her...and if you recall, his schemes to make R/Hr talk are slightly biased towards making Hermione happy, because she's the one in greater distress...he carried her books after ron upset her, told her "don't look at me like that", just before he went off with DD, and near the end, Hermione practically threw herself on Harry at the hospital wing...
With that in mind, Hermione was worried...very worried, you might say, if the feeling of relief when she saw him alive was so large that she didn't let go of him for the longest time...at least, my experience tells me that such behaviour represents love...I could be worried about a friend, but their welfare shouldn't be enough reason to affect my composure and thought process to the point of incomprehension, as was the case in Hermione...and therein lies the difference between romance and platonic friendship...if it was Ron out there, she would still be worried, but not as much as she was for Harry...
Harry and Hermione do at least think the same thing...look in PS, I think it was around somewhere in the middle of the book, but it's one instance, where Ron is out of the loop, as usual. The setting was in the common room.
On the contrary, they have much in common, but chances are, you're already tired from reading this chapter, so I'll maybe leave it for another time,
and hey...Warner Bros are gonna do whatever sells...in this case it's HHr, so there...guess JK told them what it is at least ;)
otherwise, you do seem to be the only British person on here...otherwise we wouldn't be having such a great debate ;)
No offense Katrina but you were pretty mean to Hallie.
And no way would I do that to a fiend!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who would want to break their friend's heart for a guy.
And sorry Sum but Hermione wouldn't want to break up Harry and Ginny ( not gonna happen) just for her own agenda.
Ron and Lavender Yes. But Hermione and Lavender never really were friends so Hermione didn't mind breaking them up.
Oh and the three things you mentioned, yea none of them happened at the same time.
And Harry didn't really care that she was with him, only for the party and only to get Ron jealous- don't beleive me? go look it up, she even said so. Harry was more concerned 'bout Qudditch.
And Harry did feel something more 'bout Ginny. It wasn't like Ron and Lavender.
And if you think that was throwing herself at him you have no idea what it really is.Of course she was worried, he's like her brother. So if you are one of the people who fall for their sibs, sure you have a solid base.
Really? You don 't care that much about even your best friend??? Wow, we should tell them.
And remember when Ron got poisined??? Yea Hermione was freakin' out.
Harry and Hermione may have a bit in common, but who wants to date someone just like them??? Really, how dull could that get.
Yea Warner Bros does what sells. And it's not H/HR. In CoS Movie the actors and actresses mentioned the tension between Ron and Hermione and that was why they didn't hug at the end. There was no tension between Harry and Hermione so it didn't matter.
Katrian- I meant the slang that you have in Britin. E.G. The whole snogging statement in HBP, confused me for a few pages. Yea we all speack English but everyone has their own dialect. And I know what a git is. I was just poking fun at Sum, sorry Sum, that he would call himself a git.
And be happy that you are the only Brit. You share the same country as J.K.R.
For the last time...I wasn't calling myself a git...I was SAYING I'm also Bulgarian, NOT a git...I was referring to the fact that Krum is a character based off my nationality...
Harry and Hermione have anything but a sibling relationship...currently, it's friendship, and honestly, R/Hr bickering is something me and my sister do all the time...and for obvious reasons, a relationship is simply a theoretical and a practical impossibility...
Not true...RH bicker for the smallest of reasons...lovers would disagree, but not wage world war three over it...siblings would, and it's what RH do all the time...and you can see why romance would not work between them...
What happened? I'm away for a couple of weeks and the argument reaches a stalemate? Come on, where's your passion? Your certainty of being absolutely right? Your belief that you CAN convert people, and you're doing them a favour by doing it? That they're stupid for not seeing what you can see so clearly?
That's not shipping, that's just gently sniping at each other.
What can I say...I have a knack for making people see the light, that they remain speechless :p...but you're not completely correct...different views don't necessarily imply stupidity or wrongfulness...in this case, your bias does, and no offense is meant through that of course...what you can see clearly may be what others consider you insane for seeing ;) But it seems in your 3 month absence you yourself have had a spell of doubt about RH...no?
so where did we leave off here... oh yeah, constant fighting with your boyfriend...would you want that, if you were in Hermione's shoes? I think she would definitely reject a proposal of perpetual arguments with her "love"...
No, it seemed at the time like a rather brilliant holiday, despite the cold and the lack of internet. The only way I could possibly doubt R/Hr is if, perhaps, JK denounced my ship in a public interview, not naming any names, of course :p
I never meant that I thought you were stupid. You obviously aren't as you've managed to keep up a hopeless fight for over a year now, and that's just against me. Stop acting like I'm intolerant just because I think you're completely and utterly wrong! ;)
As for the constant fighting, well, I think it would probably lessen slightly once they learned to channel their passion into...more appropriate activities. As I've told you before, they only fight because on RST. They start dating, it goes away. Simple!
Thanks for the support. Please collect your victory flag and wait for book seven.
In an attempt to understand the enemy, um, sorry, other side of the debate, I just went on Portkey.org. I feel...so dirty...the fanfiction, the fanart, the rants...I need a shower. *Shudders*
I may not agree with you, H/Hr, but I respect you for being able to exist in hostile territory for so long. Half an hour on there, and I feel like I need to be exorcised.
Another half hour, and the transformation would've been complete...I didn't say it was going to be painless :p
Revolting is the word I choose to describe the RH relationship from a romance standpoint as well...and everything else associated with it. I've yet to find a well written RH fic...it just cannot work between them, no matter how you twist it, in canon, or fandom...:)
Kudos to you too though...you're the most adamant shipper I've come across on the net...other Herons just give up in the face of concrete facts and infallible logic ;)
But feeling dirty...is that a good or a bad thing? :p I think the question merits some thought, at least...
But the problem I've come across more often, is that RH shippers use the interviews as their strongest argument...now, JK is not about to go reveal the truth about how DH turns out...but you're in the UK, so you might know a bit more than we do here in Canada, but that's not the point...us Harmonians, we rely solely on the books...there may be one or two interview quotes in favour, but not much else...we interpret it differently, but it's definitely not a strong point of our stance...
Ok, how about this: WHY WOULD SHE LIE?! Why would she alienate the many H/Hr shippers who've threatened to boycott book 7 (not that they would, of course. The temptation's too strong) if they were right all along? How can you not believe that the woman who actually writes this stuff would just tease us? Surely no woman's that fickle? She said 'Yes, we now know it's Ron and Hermione'. How could you mix that up? You prefer fake 'evidence' from the books to the truth?
And what about how D/H turns out? I don't know whether you're referring to Draco/Harry or Leather and Libraries, but either way, I'm sure you wouldn't be happy. Either way your ship sinks!
As for R/H fanfiction being revolting, either you just feel instantaneously ill at seeing the pairing without reading the story, or you don't have a romantic bone in your body. I've read good H/Hr fics. Ok, so they're always wildly OOC (as the pairing is) but that doesn't affect an author's ability to write (despite their delusion).
HERONS give up in the face of logic?! Have you not noticed that your ship is sailed by roughly three people now? Anyway, you just wait for book 7. But knowing you, even if there's a scene with Ron and Hermione snogging each others' brains out, with Harry doing something rather similar with Ginny, you'd argue it was just a conspiracy by JK to throw us off the true scent or something.
And amazingly, despite the rather sickening fanart and inarticulate 'debating', I've managed to keep my spirit and faith strong. It's going to take more than a child's drawing and a few death threats to make me go to the dark side!
As for it making me feel dirty...well, normally I wouldn't mind, but I'm not sure I can handle the feeling of possession by an evil force . The Dark Side is just scary. ;-)
I grew up in Bulgaria, but I moved to Canada... I still visit now and then...
Actually, DH is an abbreviation for Deathly Hallows, the title of the book, and that's what I meant...surely you knew that ;)
No, JK would not lie to us, but yes, she's fickle enough to tease us. Women are fickle, and that's something I can confirm within my own life experience. Just look up HBP...if women aren't fickle, then how else d'you explain it...
"We know it's Ron and Hermione." It's a simple statement, and I don't oppose it. I question it, because the analytical side of me wants to get in the details of the matter. Her next phrase was "It's done now, isn't it?" The last words are not rhetorical...she wouldn't ask a question, if the outcome is RH. The two sentences are connected, they aren't separate. She implies indecision...in other words, she's saying, the decision is yours...it could be, or it might not be RH, but she isn't going to tell you...imagine Hermione not getting paired up with neither Harry nor Ron...what then?
What I take from the books are quotes JK wrote...I apply my interpretation to them,a and it makes sense...the dots connect, but not in the way the interviews point...from a purely objective stance, the interactions and dialogues between Harry and Hermione speak of friendship, but that's grown to be anything but platonic...they know each other too well...
As for the RH fics...I'm not saying they aren't well written. It's just that every time the romance between Ron and Hermione seems forced, as if they do it, because they're expected to, not because they want to...they're under the mistaken illusion that they have to fill someone else's expectations (Mrs. Weasley), rather than their own...which would be in favour of my ship :)
There's nothing wrong with the fanart...there are good artists on both sides, but I agree, most of it is rather...amateurish :)
If the end of HP is RH and HG, then I'll accept defeat...but then again, the higher you fly, the harder the fall...be prepared for a bitter disappointment, when HH does indeed happen...
Ooh, I feel stupid. DH-I was so caught up in the shipping argument I couldn't see anything else *blushes*
OK, so it was a question. But it was one that begged agreement, and it was in the past tense. 'It's done now, isn't it?' IS a rhetorical question that leaves the reader to either grin and nod happily, or tear out their hair and stare around wildly for support, occasionally screaming 'It's not TRUE!'. Maybe that was a little over-dramatic, but you get my point (or maybe you don't-I forgot it a while ago now).
They don't seem forced! They seem dragged back, prevented, full of pent-up UST. I don't know anyone who would date someone just because their mother wanted them to, and to be perfectly honest I think she's got enough to worry about. You have to admit she only really pays attention to Ron when she's telling him off. After all, she's too busy feeding Harry and planning his wedding to Ginny.
I'm amazed that you think Harry and Hermione 'know each other too well' to just be friends. Even when you know someone really well, that can't take the place of love. You've just bashed every argument there has ever been for friendship between the sexes. And don't say you haven't because she's friends with Ron, because you're always saying they're not really friends, it's just because of Harry, or something.
Even if you know someone better than anyone else, that doesn't mean you want to shag them, necessarily. I have several male friends who know me exceptionally well, and even put up with my ranting, but I'm not attracted to any of them. If the spark's not there in the first place, it won't happen. Ever. However, if you have had that spark all along, and just been so afraid to show it and risk rejection that you hide it in passionate rows and seething, obvious jealousy...that's another story ;-)
Well then, a blush...she's not so tough after all... ;)
I think your snappish manner is merely a defense mechanism...but for what, I fail to comprehend...
There you go again, assuming the interview at face value...JK says something, but she can write it entirely differently...she hasn't officially declared that the conclusion is RH...oh no, as it has not appeared on her web site either...and she hasn't sunk my ship officially. Nowhere has she mentioned "Harry and Hermione are not happening" directly, and she hasn't said it on her website neither...that's perhaps my most tender hope that my ship sails...all the evidence for HH is just back up on that, and as cliche as it may sound, hope does die last...
Hermione does know Harry too well. In HBP, she was pissed at him, because he had the book, and didn't seem to need her - something that upset her greatly. She knew Harry wouldn't like to have a person like McLaggen on the team, and she helped overcome that obstacle. She was inquisitive about why he likes Ginny...well disguised jealousy? Possibly...
On the other hand, there's Ron...she couldn't figure out why he was mad at her all year long. He wouldn't tell her either. Why? Because that's the type of person Ron is...he accepts something and refuses to change. He wears his emotions on his sleeve, but his reason is strangely missing...that's one quality that would be a downfall to RH.
And you're backing me up about Molly...she's planning the HG wedding...therefore, she expects of Harry and Ginny to elope, and that was my point. Whether that would be the choice of the other two parties involved, well...that's a different matter. Harry will be just too withdrawn for Ginny at the end of the war...analogous to why you rarely hear your grandfather talk about WWII, and any queries are waved off...just as it was with mine.
And I hear you about the spark, and logically speaking, I understand a few months, a year...but seven years? Just seems a waste of time to invest energy in something so uncertain...RH should've happened books ago, if it was indeed meant to be...
Before I go...no, you don't feel a spark with any ofyour male friends, and that's fine, but I was talking specifically about the emotions invested in a friendship...in terms of HH, they are usually explained by reason, and are much more intense than the RH interactions...
Well, she may not have said H/Hr is not happening, but she has said R/Hr is, and I doubt Ron would want to share ;-)
I can't believe you're using the fact that Hermione being pissed at Harry for beating her in potions is eveidence for romance. She was jealous-she sees it as cheating, easy good grades without the hard work she puts in. I get pissed when my friends cheat and I study, and they beat me. And as for McLaggen-I think that was rather for Ron's benefit. She cursed him so Ron could get on the team-she hardly knew him before the tryouts. I mean, have you ever seen him mentioned before?!
As for her being jealous of Ginny-if she was, why would she give him good advice? If it were me, and I wanted Harry, I would curse Ginny in her sleep. We all know Hermione's good at pimples, so why hasn't she given in to it? :-D
As for Ron, yes he wears his emotions on his sleeve. That'd be good for the repressed Hermione. And his reasons weren't lacking-he was jealous because of Krum (even you have to admit that), he was just embarassed to say because it was years ago. Perhaps he didn't even fully understand why he was jealous himself.
And I think it's fair to say Ginny wants Harry. Or have all the years of adoration merely been a feindish plot to catch Hagrid off guard, so she can surprise him with a declaration of love? Come on, Harry asked Ginny out. He likes her. He just doesn't want her to get hurt, so he's hurting himself by not letting himself be with her. I think Mrs Weasley's going to be very happy. Besides, formidable a woman as she is, she's not around them for most of the year. She probably didn't even know when they were dating, so I doubt they did it because of pressure from her.
If Harry did become withdrawn, then what he'd need is a good, outgoing girl to draw him back out. Noy Hermione, as she'd just let him go deeper and deeper into himself. She's hardly an extrovert, she wouldn't understand how to help him.
And the spark-tht's been there all along, in rows, arguments, gentle banter, and other inappropriate actions. You wait, when it finally finds the proper channel, it's going to EXPLODE. And there's nothing more intense than a good, flaming row. Well, nothing you can write about in a children's book ;-)
And yes, I'm tough, but I'm also human. Maybe I do get a little 'snappish' sometimes, and maybe it is a defence mechanism. Perhaps I'm compenstaing for the fact that as a petite, blonde, blue-eyed girl with a cute, vulnerable-looking face (it sucks-people assume I'm a bloody fairy princess) people think I'm weak so I have to beat them into realising I'm not before they patronise my brain into tapioca...............................................................................
Hermione was seeing it as cheating, but there is also the fact that she's good friends with Harry...she also left out. Before, he always came for help to her. When that was taken away from her in HBP, she questioned her stance towards Harry. Why should she feel left out, or care that he's cheating for that matter? Her behavior in the sixth book clearly says that she missed Harry...learning that they should appreciate each other more, simply leads towards the further development of their feelings...with each progression, romance becomes ever more likely...
Hermione helped Ginny out, because she knew a romance has the chance of failing, and taking the friendship with it...she wasn't brave enough to risk it earlier...she was under the illusion that running away from a problem solves it...too bad it persisted ;) The question rests with Ginny...why did she seize the opportunity? Hero worship is one factor, and the fact that she can be Harry's ideal girl in an ideal world...
Yes, they didn't hook up because of pressure from Molly...but once she finds out, she will try to get them back together...she discouraged Bill and Fleur, because she didn't like the fair French maiden, but she practically adores Harry...to her, he and Ginny would be ideal together, and she'd do anything to make them go back together, just as she did everything to keep B/F apart...and failed.
If Harry becomes an extrovert, he's as good as dead. The Horcrux hunt requires secrecy and laying low. He's been secretive and closed himself off to the world for so long, it's become a part of his character...he hates publicity, and Ginny is the opposite...another year of secrecy won't necessarily bring him out, and even after the war, he will be a reclusive person...relieved, but living in peace is what he'll want...in OotP (or was it PoA?!), he told Mrs. Weasley that he liked the "quiet life"...
Yup, explosions...unbridled, hot, ferocious passion is always good :p I'm just worried it can be destructive, rather than constructive, as is always the case...Hermione can be a formidable debating opponent, and it's a widely known fact that in the real world, and in the fictional one, that women always win any argument, with the odd exception ;)...in this case, Hermione will come down on Ron hard, critique him, shout, possibly kick him, shout some more, insult him thoroughly, and then perhaps kick him again. Then they'd be OK. If he survives the ordeal, that is...but romance is a long way off...Ron can't mature mentally from a 10 to a 17 year old in the space of half a book...
So what if she missed Harry? To be honest, I think it's more likely she was just slightly worried and pissed off at him. Anyone likes being the rock others come to for advice, be it academic or personal. You would get upset if that was taken away, and it doesn't mean romance. Parents feel it when their kids move out for crying out loud!
Trust me, Molly didn't do everything she could to keep Bill and Fleur apart. If she had really hated her, rather than just dissapproved, she would have told him so, and he probably would have backed down in respect. Or maybe she didn't want to risk losing him. I reckon it'd be the same with Harry. She wouldn't put pressure on him while he's busy horcrux-hunting. And I'm sure she'd see his reason of wanting to keep Ginny safe as valid.
Now, I don't know whether it's just Americans who don't understand irony, or if Bulgarians lack it too, but Harry-living the quiet life?! He was joking. He didn't have to go on all those bloody adventures, he cose to. He's be great with Ginny. Besides,hiding and lying low while Voldemort's after you is little more than a delaying tactic. It can't work forever. He might as well go out with a bang.
JK did say that the whole Lavender thing was to mature Ron to Hermione's level. And sure he'd be able to survive her attacks. He's always done it before. All I'm saying is he would be able to, whereas Harry's always just let her get on with it while she was angry at him, or screamed at her until she backs down. That's uneven. No-one could possibly be happy in a relationship that's not equal. It would be terrible, and totally unsatisfying to win an argument without trying, or just to lose with no hope of winning. That'd suck. Besides, I keep telling you, it's UST. They find the proper vent for their passion, it's significantly reduce the the number of arguments, trust me.
And by the way, you're wrong. Women always win arguments. Whatever's said after that is the beginning of a new argument ;-)
sparklegirl:
I think that its absolutely plain ludicrous. I think they have a 0% chance. Its ron and hermione all the way, as i say!!! Harry is too infectuated by Ginny to even notice Hermione and Hermione has definately realised her crush on Ron by now, even if Ron hasnt!!!
Sparkle Girl
Ron and Hermione-Lover
Sum1:
yes, Ron is very slow at thinking about stuff like that...so, when do u think he'll see the light?
AnnaR:
I think he's already seen the light - since GoF when he's like "I've completely missed the point" He's just very subtle and shy about revealing his feelings toward her because they have a history and all.
I'm sure he'll find the courage to tell her how he feels (if Hermione hasn't noticed by now) in the 7th book.
sparklegirl:
i dunno. i think he kind of has realised his feelings deep down but he hasnt. i feel that hes trying to convince himself that it's not true. i think he will probably realize his feelings when hermione is in danger and he feels it is now or never!!!
Sparkle Girl
Ron and Hermione-Lover
Sum1:
Ron is frustrated, I think we can all see that. The problem is how Hermione feels. There hasn't been one instance where we see the world through her eyes. We know plenty little as to what she is thinking or feeling, and we have to work off the impressions she leaves on other characters.
sparklegirl:
yeah. i think hermione has worked out her feelings for ron after that ron and lavender incident. i think that deep down she is a very emotional delicate person but she tries to hide it by hiding behind books!!!
Sparkle Girl
Ron and Hermione-Lover
Sum1:
precisely. She tries to look brave and defiant, but in reality she's so fragile...but what about the fact that Ron constantly berates her for this and that? Does that mean he'd be abusive in a relatiosnhip?!
AnnaR:
No way! You can see that he's very caring in that he cursed Draco (although it backfired on him) because he called Hermione a mudblood. Ron is not the type of person to be abusive. They're teenagers and are starting to I guess find their ground. They like to bicker because they get each other's attention. :)
Sum1:
So bickering is the main way for Ron and Hermione to get each other's attention, and he sticks up for her, while she does what for him? What I'm interested in, is what does she do that makes Ron notice her? Is it on purpose, or does Ron notice her actions because of frustration or something else?
sparklegirl:
i think that ron notices her simply because she isnt like other girls. she has a kind heart and she loves her friends so much. also she has been around him for the past 6 years and im sure the yule ball ncident would have impacted on ron in some kind of way.
Sparkle Girl
Ron and Hermione-Lover
sparklegirl:
hey, would anyone like to join me and some others. we will be meeting up at 10:30 on wed and thurs on the ron and hermione page in shipper groups. anyone up for it???
Sparkle Girl
Ron and Hermione-Lover
Sum1:
10:30, sure...but what time zone are u in?
sparklegirl:
i am in the english time zone. are you american? you know, you are the only person who has replied to this message!
Sum1:
hey...sorry, ive been busy the last few weeks....well, no, im not american, but i live in their backward neighbour to the north, and the time difference is roughly 5 hours i imagine, relative to greenwich...how about we meet here on Monday, August 28, at 4:00pm local time(here), and perhaps around 11:00am at where you are...
sparklegirl:
hi, i am so sorry i havent been able to reply! i thought that this sight had gone old or something! sorry if you were just waiting, how about the 7th of august. why dont you sign up to the newsround harry potter site, it is really good! the people there are amazing and it is so much fun to talk to them! my user name there is hermioneronlover! OK, please reply soon.
Sum1:
I could do that...can u give me a url?
otherwise i was thinking we could discuss this thing over email cause with university I'm up to my neck in studying and I can steal a minute here and there...
sparklegirl:
sorry, nut what is a url! please go on the site and just sign up! my email adress is
harrypotterwillsurvive@yahoo.co.uk
pleeeeease join on to the site!!! YOUR IN UNI! OMG! I AM REALLY SORRY, BUT I DIDNT THINK YOU WERE THAT OLD! I AM REALLY SORRY BUT EVRY1 ELSE ON THAT SITE IS LIKE WAY YOUNGER THAN YOU!!!
Ginny_Potter0114:
I think that they make good friends, but they wouldn't do well in a romantic relationship. Hermione is always worried about Harry anyways, and if they went out it would just be worse. Harry would get annoyed with it, Hermione would get mad about it, and it just wouldn't last.
Seraphim:
Ok, well, thing is, they never were a pair to begin with. Harry was never attracted to Hermione and vice versa. I mean if Harry was in any way attracted to Hermione, why didn't he try to pursue her before? Or if Hermione had a thing for Harry, why wasn't she bothered when Harry had the hots for Cho? It was just out in the open since Book One.
I think it's because of the chemistry of Emma and Dan on film that made people THINK there is something between their characters. It is possible that Dan and Emma had a thing for each other before - you know never know. But as for Harry and Hermione - there was nothing between them except friendship.
Give me a fin!
Ginny_Potter0114:
Yeah, they never were attracted to each other. They were never more than friends, and never tried to be more.
Sum1:
are you sure? I've heard of a...theory, for a lack of a better word, that subconsciously they're in love, but haven't realized it to the conscious level as of yet...
On the one side, that's something I don't fully understand, and it could be complete bullshit. On the other, when I attempt to use the two cells that make up my brain (the rest is filled with compressed air :p) it does make some sort of wishy-washy sense...
Your thoughts?
Katrina:
Sum1:
aww, so you do miss me ;)
you don't think it's suspicious that a thread like this even exists on this forum?
yes, you can start breathing again and get over the surprise. HHr4eva is back...under the alias of Sum1 :D
(and no, usually I don't refer to myself in the third person :p)
Ginny_Potter0114:
Katrina, what's Devanbalcombe and Blueloverfae?
Katrina:
Katrina:
Katrina:
Sorry, didn't mean to post twice. And no I don't think it's suspicious at all. It's funny, as Harry and Hermione have about as much chance as a chocolate kettle, but arguments are fun!
Issy Bridget:
What web site were you on? I would have a place to go fight with some one.
Sum1:
the site was sidekicks.ronandhermione.net...the forum's closed, but you can still see all the bantering we did there...**under shipper groups ;)**
and I'll take a bite outta that chocolate kettle and be on my merry way before you even get the chance to go after me...hehe
cause obviously, hhr is the only way to go :)
Katrina:
Ginny_Potter0114:
Yeah, Harry likes Hermione as a friend, but has no interest in dating her.
Issy Bridget:
Yea right Sum1! You would be sorry to have gotten into a fight with me! You are out of your mind to think that Harry ( who loves Ginny) and Hermione ( who loves Ron) would ever date. They are just friends!!
Sum1:
I should be sorry? I don't intend to disappoint you, but after Katrina, other arguments are the equivalent of tea-time chit-chat...
I'll say it again...the problem with R/Hr is that it's just a shell...one blow, and it crumbles like a house of cards...
Issy Bridget:
Well now you got me to deal with. And I don't do 'tea-time chit chat' as you put it.
And a shell really? So Ron saying he LOVES Hermione and her kissing him and them holding each other at the funneral mean nothing. Wow. I did not know that. I really throught that Jo said that it was Ron adn Hermione, too.
Do you really think that they are the type of people to go and have a one night stand type of relationship? Cause from how Jo discribes them they don't seem like that kind of people.
And they could be like a house of cards. That was made of solid rock.
Sum1:
alright....I can deal with you too...it should be a walk in the park ;)
how about tea-time chit-chat after that? :p
you know, i don't recall ron and hermione kissing in the funeral scene...hermione was crying, and ron was just holding her...or maybe I've got faulty memory :/
either way, it's what a best friend does no?
if jk said, go and jump off a cliff, and you did it, that would represent your belief in the interviews she gives....she said r/Hr, but it was a question...not a statement. She wants to keep you in the dark as much as possible for book 7...for all i know, hermione could end up with victor krum...
and r/hr itself would be one great big italian soap opera with a tragic ending...you're right, their relationship is like a rock...they've fought from day 1, and that's not gonna change anytime soon...;)
Issy Bridget:
Fine. I've dealt with worst. Lovey, what would you like to talk about after you see the light?
Yea, but that was a step closer together. For Ron and Hermione. Ron and Hermione were friends but you can't be friends with someone your in love with! Didn't you hear Ron say that? Cause he did.
And Krum is going to be back in Book 7. Jo said so. And he will gave them that final push that they need towards each other.
You are right they probably will never stop fighting, but what couple evr not fight? None.
And I would jump off a cliff, with a bungee cord. It looks like fun.
Sum1:
hm, im not sure...i'll let you pick the subject :)
and since when has ron been the world's foremost fictional authority on the affairs of the heart?
trust me, when it comes to love, most guys are utterly clueless when they have to think about it...and i can assure you, with me being a guy...
the difference here, ron wasn't thinking when he said it...he was focused on his essay and on getting rid of lavender...hermione may have possibly crossed his mind then, but probably wasn't being serious about it at the time...
and i'd much rather jump off a bridge...don't you think there's a good chance of hitting the cliff-face?
Issy Bridget:
Thanks but you can pick I don't mind.
Never but still he loves her. I know guys are clueless. I am just saying that they are at least a little aware that they are in love with someone. Yea his heart knows that he is in love with her. His heart just hasn't talked to his brain in a while. lol.
Good point it would be better to jump off a bridge than to jump off a cliff.
Sum1:
alright then...how's about we talk about...sports?cars? :p...or something else you like to talk about...
Ron's big problem is jealousy...he acted on impulse when Ginny, well...let him know the state of his love life, and he went after lavender, only to prove a point to ginny...correspondingly, he might see hermione as a prize, in the manner that he got something harry didn't for once...and the way he upsets Hemrione, on purpose...don't get me started...whatever did she do to him?!
instead of bungy jumping...what about skydiving? I've always wanted to try that out...
Issy Bridget:
Cars-fav would have to be the Porsche. There are the best. Esp the red convertibles. : )
True very true Ron does act on impluse. And he loves her. Can't you see that? He wouldn't she her as a prize. He so would never try to lord it over Harry that he was dating Hermione and not him. Cause Harry wouldn't really care. Since he and Hermione are just friends.
He just acts that way to get her attention. So she will focas all her energy on him instead of something else. And don't you even say Harry to that. She is playing hard to get is, so she tries to get Ron to chase her. Girls do that. I know since I am one. It works too. Guys want what they can't have. At least most do.
True sky-diving does look like fun. Really want to learn to surf, thru.
Sum1:
oh yes! Porsche's my favourite too...especially the 911 coupes *drooools*...
*snaps out of it*
ahem, well, back on topic...
just because ron is impulsive proves nothing...if he did so with lavender, how do u know the same won't happen with hermione and she comes out broken hearted? Trust me, I've seen real relatinships of the type r/hr and they fall apart very quickly...
and since when is hermione the flirty type!! Either i've completely missed the picture, or she got a personality makeover in a fortnight...
I've met girls like that, and i do like the challenge, but to keep going for 3-4 years...even im not willing to go for that long (if we assume ron is supposedly in love with hermione since year 3 or so...)
surfing would also be fun i agree...i'd rather do it off australia, but california isn't bad either...where would u go?
Issy Bridget:
Totally they rule!!!! The 911 are really cool. My dad used to re-build them. Love them. My one friend, won't say her name hear cause she thinks I am weird being part of a R&Hr site a little too far, anyway she thinks GTO's are the best. We plan on racing them one day, so I can prove her wrong, of cousre.
Anyway....
Because they are opposites, Opposites atract. They are like Yin-and-Yang! : ) Harry and Sirus said that they act like Mr and Mrs Weasly and they fight all the time but they ended up married!!
And the whole playing hard to get is only a little flirty. And she is after him, girls go to the extrems to get a guy if they really want him. I know. Plus since when does she use Mac Laggen, or whatever his name was, to get Ron jealous. She even said that was her plan, to get him jealous. I was thinking he was in love with her since the whole Yule Ball thing.
Any where warm and witha beach. I am sick of super cold with no snow.
Sum1:
hehe...I'm afraid to say your friend is slightly mistaken...the GTO is made for acceleration, not top speed...and besides, the 911 beats it on both counts...no competition even ;)
but still, if you're looking to prove it to her, look up the porsche cayman s...
it's 20 000 cheaper than a carrera and still does over 250 km/h
Opposites don't always attract...if you're sweet and nice, you wouldn't want to be together with some jackass who does nothing but fight with you...some fighting is okay, yes, but constantly? come on...
to put it bluntly, this is the case with ron and hermione...she'd rather be with her books than have a row with Ron after a failed attempt to make peace...and he upset her more than once in HBP by imitating her rudely...yup, classic Ron.
and im not sure who hermione was trying to make jealous...could've been ron, yes, because she was scared of harry and that's why he backed away from him...or to be more precise, the prophecy is what scared her...but that's another story...anywho... the yule ball scene was interesting...again, harry's clueless that hermione actually likes him when she talks non-stop about harry to krum...ron just spoiled the whole thing, and he was caught up in the im-jealous-of-harry period, remember?
somewhere sunny would be nice...it's like that here too, and im sick of it as well...
but im gonna meet the new year in a beach chair on miami beach...so i'll be gone for a week to sunny paradise ;)
Katrina:
Sum1:
well well...ms. In Denial herself has graced us with her presence...welcome back by the way...
first things first...leave cars alone. they've got nothing to do with any relationship...
and this time i'll be frank...you're the one under a delusion here. You make up your mind and then have the flexibility of a rock...
the only reason ron was jealous was that he wasn't a famous wizard like krum and because he was left to the wayside...
if krum was encroaching on ron's territory, then why in the world did krum ask HARRY if there was anything going on between him and hermione? WHY not ron, if he was the damsel in distress here? i think krum saw the reality of the situation when he asked harry...
he didn't mind, because he's got it in his head that voldemort is his only destiny, and any romantic involvement would only bring danger to the girl, and therefore, he doesn't spend too much time in committment and worry over girls...world - voldwemort = harry and hermione ;)
can't u see what love really is? It's support, understanding, the occasional fight, teamwork, being worried sick about your better half, enjoying each other's company...these are all qualities the HHr relationship shares, and not all of them are present in r/hr of h/g...
and are u serious? i already know why it's gonna be hhr...where did u come up with teh monster in the chest deal?! either im seeing things or u've got too much free time on your hands to think up something like that...
Issy Bridget:
Just tell me what is 250 km/h in miles, please.
Thank you Katrina!!!! I could use a little help tring to save Sum from his own crazy-ness. Lol.
You are not one to throw stones yuo know that? You the one under delusion, get it in to your head Harry and Hermione are just friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He doesn't want Krum to sweap Hermion eoff her feet before he gets a chance to win her heart. And he asked Harry because that Sneaker woman was making up lies to sell a sroy. Do you know any thing about journalism??? It is all about selling the stroy. No matter who gets hurt in the way.
No (insert your choice of swears here) way that Harry and Hermione will ever date!!!!!!!!! They are just friends!!!!!!!!!
Harry does think that his one destany is to fight Volde but he, as in Harry, loves Ginny. Ginny weasly! Not Hermione Granger.
And in case you forgotHermio9ne was worried sick about Ron when he was posioned. Just as Ron was when she was perterfied, he faced spiders his greatest fear, just to try and save her.
You need help, dude. It is Ron-and-Hermione all the way. And Harry-and-Ginny. And the Monster in the Chest deal was in the books!!!!! In case you never read HBP. Which I am starting to think that you never did.
Harry felt that way bout Ginny.
Sum1:
250 km/h is about 156 mph...if u want anything faster, look up the porsche GT3...
*sigh* alright...back to square 1
just wondering, are you really frustrated with this?
right now. harry and hermione are just friends, but they have the potential for more...in book 7, we'll see if that's true or not...
and yes, i know perfectly well what journalism is...krum asked harry, not because of skeeter, but because of hermione constantly talking about harry...after all, if it's common knowledge that skeeter has the same credibility as trewalney, why should krum believe what she has to say?
and in case you had forgotten, in the ootp fiasco, harry was losing his mind over hermione when she was hit with the curse...i believe at that time, ginny was absolutely nowhere to be found...why didn't harry run after her if she's his so-called soulmate?
i've read HBP twice, and quite thoroughly too...i was just surprised when katrina said that i replaced ginny's name with hermione's whenever there's a chest-monster scene...honestly, really amusing thought...first time i've heard it!! she'd make a great regular comedian :)
Katrina:
Issy Bridget:
Sweet! 156 m/h. Puts Harry's Firebolt to shame. That broom only goes 150 m/p. lol.
Nope, I'm not frustrated with this.
Probably did get 1 too many bludgers to the head.
Harry wasn't even sure where Ginny was right at that moment. Plus it wasn't like he didn't have alot to think about at that second.
She's right everyone knows it's Ron and Hermione. At least the people who know what is going down in book 7. Namely the person writing it!!!! Plus Harry adn Hermione are practicly sibs.
And I adgree with Katrina. They balance each other out. Like Yin and Yang.
Katrina if you ever do become a commedienne, I swear I'll come see your act.
& Sum1 ride a wave for me in Miami, please.
halliepotter13:
Hi, I'd like to join this argument, I've convinced at least 3 of my friends to ship R/Hr, so I guess I'm pretty good at it. There's this website called... www.harryloveshermione.com, and it's seriously the BIGGEST joke I've ever seen. Let's just say I sent the webmaster a real 'heart to heart' e-mail and she replied back accusing me of spelling a word wrong, cursing me out, and telling me that her website is now closed. Hm, I replied asking where on her website it said that it's closed, and then the next day, I saw a big message on her home page saying how it WAS closed. She has this whole wall of shame place where basically, all the R/Hr shippers' e-mails end up. She calls us trolls, jackasses, and all of the other cruel names that there are. Anyway, I didn't mean to go on and on about this "website." But you should check it out and send her an e-mail with your thoughts and tell me what she replies. Oh, and *cough* Sum1 *cough* needs to WAKE UP! It's Ron and Hermione. End of story. Goodbye, the end. Any questions? ((Thanks for the funny comment Loonie_Julie.))
Issy Bridget:
Yea, you are good. Welcome to the good fight.
She is completely crazy! Can't beleive that she puts the letters from R/Hr shippers on the wall of shame!!! Even Jo said it was Ron and Hermione!!!!!!!!!
"Sum" people needs to see what is right in front of their face. Lol, but it's true.
Katrina:
Sum1:
Hallie, welcome to the thread :)
Honestly, I agree with you...we're not perfect either, the harmony ship has its, for a lack of a better word, @$$holes too...apparently that web master is one...
and yes, the site is a complete joke...portkey is much more serious in the regards to analysis and everything else that goes along with that...
now to destroy your illusion :)
1. Krum didn't get hit by too many bludgers...actually ron got clubbed by a troll and now thinks he loves hermione...krum saw the light and ron's still seeing stars...
2. Yup, love is falling for someone you least expected, but...we don't exactly know what krum believes, cause we don't know his character really well, and therefore we can't make these assumptions...i'd speculate he was overwhelmed by Hermione's attitude and reason more than anything else...he's just wondering how blind harry could possibly get...
3. Yes, I'd be happy to face facts...but if we stretch that thought, then Harry wondered if Krum saw him as a rival. For the tournament? No. For Hermione's heart? Yes...The only reason he couldn't dwell on it, is because a distraction stole his attention right after that and he forgot about it entirely...
Think about it...sort out 2 or 3 moments in the books (GOF to HBP) where Harry and Hermione are talking, one on one, and then Ron, Ginny, or some other interruption occurs to stop them...Take away those distractions, and imagine where the conversation would go...
How could possibly Ron complete Hermione?! Either you really said that, or I'm losing my mind...Throughout HBP, he constantly upset her, imitated, insulted and downplayed her...and you're telling me that makes her happy?
Harry completes her...they have rows, yes, but far less than r/hr...they each bring out the best in one another...and I'd elaborate but this post is getting much too long...
And yes, if R/Hr indeed happen, I'll be disappointed, but I'm prepared to accept it. Then you can gloat till you burst for all I care...I just hope you're ready to accept defeat if the scales swing my way...and then I'll be the guy on the street with the idiotic grin on his face ;) Like this:
http://phanchautrinhdanang.com/Tet2004/Monkey_Smiling.jpg
and issy, miami was awesome...even saw a great white down there :) good thing i got away in time tho...anyways, how were your holidays?
Katrina:
Sum1:
Well, now that we're ranting in novel-length posts...I'll pick yours apart end to beginning...
You know, I think you have what people call a wooden head...you can knock at it all you want and nothing's gonna happen...but still, there has to be a crack somewhere...
The difference is, R/Hr fight over trivial problems that have absolutely no consequence, and they're ready to destroy their already rocky friendship over them...H/Hr on the other hand, fight more rarely, but it's much more deep and intense...take that episode before they went off to the department of mysteries...and i think i might've said this before, but it backs up my point quite splendidly...what was at stake in that particular argument, was someone's life, not some rat that was later found alive and well, to my dismay i might add...eventually, what calmed harry is hermione saying voldemort's name...and ron resolutely refuses to do such an impossible feat...really, if he can't deal with reality and hermione can, how is that supposed to work?
you still don't see the point? No, you say...alright, lemme put it another way...the stuff-HHr-argue-about-is-much-more-im-po-r-t-a-n-t-than-the-pointless-R/Hr-bickering...
me and my sister argue about the same stuff r/hr do...and if you're backing up your statement...then I seriously think your notions are completely disgusting...
I completely understand that girls need passion in a relationship...but if your idea of passion is your guy imitating you and saying "I told you so!!", and then giving no thought what-so-ever as to what your feelings might be...i agree, anger and the strong desire to murder that guy are quite passionate =)
And you back me up yet again...too much jealousy, as is the case in R/Hr, always kills romance...and that shag...well, it's not happening without the romance. Sorry. :)
I certainly remember the good ol' days...i did that too, but it was such a long time ago...and Ron arguing with Hermione...true, he does it for attention, but that's only so he could feel important...he pictures an idealistic relationship with absolutely no problems once he and Hermione "fall in love and live happily ever after"...sounds too cliche and JK would never write that...
"Honestly, Harry, you're worse than Ron! Well, you're not!"...nice try :) And they were talking, not arguing, at that point in the great hall. And who stormed off?! Cho?
I'll give you another example...Harry arrives at the burrow, and the next morning, he and hermione are talking about the prophecy, or something about voldemort...I don't have the book in front of me...but it was just before ginny walked in and fleur shortly after that...if you notice, it's Harry and Hermione slipping into their own realm of...attitude can you call it, or that special trait in their relationship that isolates them from the surroundings for an instant...u might not get what im talking about, but it's worth a shot...
Your proposition is true and not true...Hermione can date other guys and that doesn't make her a ho...and rita could be right...remember, nothing is as it appears in hp...
Hermione's been a bad girl, because of her adventures with harry...the intellect only helps ;)
OK, I went overboard again...cheers :)
Katrina:
Sum1:
Hmm, let's see...ah, ok, Chapter XIXCVIXIV of this debate :)
I guess I should re-phrase my meaning...I'm not referring to Hermione being a bad girl in THAT sense...I mean, if she isn't a bookish personality, as you say, she does have a more....badly behaved side to her character (did that sound as corny as I think it did?)
and who brings it out? Harry of course...and you backed me up on that :) She does it for his sake, I'll give you that, but that allows her to know her possibilities and limits better...
Now, if you haven't noticed, Harry is unable to control much of what goes on around him...being able to talk to snakes doesn't guarantee his control over the basilisk...it was thanks to Hermione's research that he understood the beast's true nature, but there was nothing he could do in that instance...
she had a choice in tracking snape...she could've said no, but if I recall correctly, she agreed to do it... but let's be straightforward here...any eleven year old would be excited to go on a detective mission...and by that moment in PS, all of them were already too deep in to get out...
fighting death eaters is something that is part of Harry's life as a moving target, and being associated with him, Hermione becomes one as well...voldemort attempts to break his opponents emotionally and then finish them off for good...and harry - hermione = disaster...I think you saw harry's reaction when hermione was hit by dolohov's curse...he couldn't even think!! what I'm saying is, hermione has accepted a risk by being harry's friend, and she knows very well, just like him, that he cannot control every single source of danger...he even attempted to leave her behind for protection a number of times...
take the end of HBP...he handed her the Felix felicis, hoping it will assure her safety...a few bruises, but she came out ok...he did take into consideration ginny and ron, but seemed to focus mostly on hermione, and her particular safety...
again, you demonstrate your admirable ability to take everything jk says, and the quotes, quite literally. I'm not saying rita skeeter is a saint...im saying that in suggesting harry and hermione are a couple, she lays some sort of patchy groundwork for a potential relationship...not one that really currently (GOF) exists on a romantic level...
I'll give you that Harry doesn't make Hermione laugh often...but as far as I can deduce from the text, he does give her a sense of contentment, peace, worry, and to some extent, happiness...the last of which is not always expressed through laughter, but through the peace of knowing that person will always be beside you in a time of need...and that feeling goes both ways in the HHr case...always.
Hm, if Hermione's advice indeed worked, Harry/Cho would be still together...but the situation is quite the opposite...and her spell of anger, jealousy and spite over the ron-lav lav relationship is completely mysterious to me...ron upset her in the beginning, which hurt her...then he didn't apologize, and went after someone completely irrelevant to the story...shallow? yes. I think Hermione took Ron's insults as as a way of expressing his "feelings" for her, and she put up with it...but lavender put her over the top, and she probably took ron to be playing games with her...so she responds with mclaggen...and now, I find, my brain hurts. :) I'll leave it with u to sort out this mess cause you're better at it than I am obviously....
Angst and jealousy are found between hhr, as well as r/hr, and me and emma, but you're right...possessiveness does kill romance, but it's the next step from too much jealousy...u think when, IF, R/Hr happens, Ron won't be much too protective of hermione?
My heart is wooden, and doc says I might need glasses sometime next year...thanks for the tip tho :P...it should help me see what's under what's in front of me :)
Krum is a Bulgarian git, but so am I. I'll take that as a compliment ;)
cheers. :)
Issy Bridget:
I'll gave you the "badly behaved side" but really Sum everyone has that side to them, just some people bring out theirs more. Only a little corny. Ah.... not really. She broke the rules to make sure that Ron made it one the Griffindor Team... not for Harry for Ron.
And they are a Trio. There are 3 of them. They all work together. The 3 of them. Starting to see the way things work here?
I think what you are implying that Hermione was trying to sabatage Harry and Cho relationship. If that was true maybe she was trying to make it so Ginny could have a shot. And I don't remember Harry being all broken hearted about his Break-up wiht Cho.
And she was hurt because maybe she throught Ron was her's? I mean it's not like they are together, YET, but he kinda acts like he is her boyfriend. Acting all protective and not wanting any other guys to go near her. Yet he lets Harry near her, hum wonder way. Maybe cause Harry doesn't like her like that?
And they almost were dating. If he hadn't snogged Lavender Ron and Hermione would have gone off to the Slughorns Party together. As a date! They have gone for fighting to flirting. They are playing hard to get with each other to get each other jealous!
Really jealousy between Harry and Hermione? Coulda fooled me cause I didn't see it. Adn Ron aready is protective of Hermione. Guys sometimes act like that in a realionship. Okay a lot. No ofense to any guys but it's true. You do that. Hate to break it to you.
And I'm not that good at speaking Brit but I don't think 'git' is meant to be a compliment. But think what you want.
A Great White? Cool. I went up to NYC for a few days.
halliepotter13:
Hi, I know this is a long way off, but I'm just responding to Katrina's comment about me waaay back on January 6th. Um, first of all, if I sound like I'm being mean, I'm sorry. I really don't want to fight with anyone. I know they have a right to their opinion, and I'm not saying anything against that. And when did I ever curse her out? Hm, don't remember saying that. And, I really don't need people saying I'm not ready for the real world, because I've been through a lot more than you could ever know. And I've only put foward one argument because I'm sorta new to the Harry Potter fandom, I started getting into it two months ago, so that's why you haven't seen me all over the internet. So, not to be mean, but maybe you should get your facts straight before you go off on me like that.
Sum1:
Hallie, don't get worked up about it...very soon, you'll discover that Katrina is a very arduous defender of the "good" :p ship...she's got quite the fiery character too, cause me and her have argued for a looong time...and just don't let it get to you :) There's no point in trading insults back and forth. However, if u want to argue the r/hr side....go right ahead.
issy, that's exactly what i mean about hermione...she breaks the rules, more often for her friends' sake than hers, but she also profits from the adventures the trio have...and it's progressed through the years...in HP, she could've easily reported Harry for the dangerous book that he had, but something stopped her...fear? maybe. love? far-fetched, but...still unlikely. Thirst for adventure? the one I find most feasible...as there certainly was a lot adventure in HBP ;)
Hermione was exactly trying to sabotage the harry/cho relationship...and call me blunt, but I don't know what girl would sabotage a relationship for ends that are all her own...like her getting together with the guy...and here, hermione's trying to make harry add 1 and 1...that she likes him.
If H/Hr was the sibling relatinoship it's said to be, then why would Cho get jealous?
I'll take a wild guess...because she felt threatened. The year before, krum confronted harry, because he also felt threatened by him in his quest for hermione's heart...
I'm onto something here, no? ;)
Harry didn't feel much of anything about cho, because he understood it was a superficial relationship...the only thing in common they had was quidditch...
HHr, on the other hand, have a lot of common...traits, let's call them...one, always protective of one another, two, they complete each other's thoughts on occasion,...and down to reason number 8586894586, they're made for each other ;)
Ron not letting any other guys near hermione...not sure that's entirely true...while he was with lav-lav, it's like hermione was invisible...and later on, harry berates her for coming with mclaggen...why would he do that? out of jealousy methinks...because at that point he wasn't goin out with ginny, and everybody around him seemed to be getting in a relationship....so he wants a girl too...too bad it wasn't hermione :/
it's kind of shallow to enforce that, but im just saying what harry was thinking at the time...in real life, let love come to you, and harry should remember that as well...
r/hr...6 years of UST and flirting...i'd've moved on, seeing this is a lost cause, but i guess in some characters it takes a bit longer...
Well, of course guys act protective when they're in a relationship...the ones who care, do it because they want their girl to be truly happy and prevent her from being exposed to the assaults of other competitors...on the other hand, there are those who act protective, because it gives them added confidence of suddenly being "the big man on campus"...and im not one of those guys, but im not sure what u mean by "you do that"...are u suggesting im protective of something...cause i am, but right now im single, so...:/
No, i wasn't referring to the git part...just sayin im bulgarian too :)
were u at time's square? I was three hours away in washington on new year's eve and if only i could've gone...
halliepotter13:
I know it seemed like I got worked up about it, but that's why I said in the beginning that if it sounds like I'm being mean, I'm not. And a response to Sum1's comments... When Ron was with "Lav-lav" he basically only did that to make Hermione jealous. And when Harry kissed Cho, hm, guess what, Hermione seemed excited. However, when Ron kissed Lavender, she cried and completely ignored Ron half the year. And the 6 years of fighting, well, that's called flirting. Yes, they do get on each other's nerves, but that's because they are trying to cover up, in any way, shape, or form, their true feelings for each other. Well, that's all for now,
Ttfn.
Katrina:
halliepotter13:
Ok.
I'm just not going to be involved in this anymore.
Since I never thought I'd see the day when a shipper on the same side as me was the one arguing with me.
So if you say you got this, ok.
Goodbye.
Katrina:
Sum1:
Katrina, Katrina, Katrina...*shakes head and sighs*
Yes, I'd defend you, because foremost, I'm a person, and after that, I'm a shipper.
And further still...I'm disappointed how you turned down Hallie...you've got a slight complex, to make everyone's business your own...if Hallie wanted advice, she would have asked for it...you cannot assume that she automatically needs it, because she's just entered the world of HP shipping...yes, it gets ugly, but there's no need to portray HHr shippers as some militant (which some are), unbalanced people, who are about as sane as Hitler...
If you find the courage to visit portkey.org you'll find its members are actually quite normal and pleasant to talk to...the oddballs are R/Hr shippers, like yourself, who come on there to cause chaos and upheaval...so I'd re-evaluate that remark, if I were you...if you received threatening messages of any sort, then that's from the oddballs on our side of the pitch...so, the fanatical shippers are mutual to both sides...there's no use pretending it's jsut HHr's :/
Yes, it's true that girls would sabotage a relationship...but it's not entirely black and white now, is it? If a good, or even your best friend, were dating the guy you dream about at night, then would you let jealousy eat you insides forever?Knowing you, probably, given the fantastic amounts of dedication you show...but I'd get over it, and move on.
Now ah, about that part where you said girls enjoy the Neanderthal type of guy...girls do like to play hard to get, and trust me, figuring them (or you) out is a challenge I've been through more than once...still though, girls should go easy on guys, cause guys aren't particularly bright...as you may already know ;)
Ron fits the Neanderthal job description, but Hermione...she doesn't seem the type to get turned on by that particular image...she's after someone who equals her own abilities...and I should say, hers outstrip Ron's by light years...
So how does that relate? Well...Ron and Lavender represent the relationship, which is based on a sugar high, and not much else...we both agree that that doesn't last.
Hermione was jealous and resentful - not particularly towards Ron, but Harry too. At the height of her crisis, Ron and Lavender were an item, Harry and Ginny had started going out, and Harry had Snape's book. Now think, how does that make Hermione feel, and what might be going through her head?
The obvious answer - left out, unneeded, alone.
So, her natural reaction - why should I be alone? To mask her insecurities, and improve her self-confidence, and worthiness, she ran off with McLaggen...who in particular she was trying to make jealous is unclear, because both Harry and Ron reacted furiously to her antics...but they can't blame her, simply because they didn't understand what she was going through...
When you're in a relationship, it's assumed your better half is your confidante and your source of support. Well, it's quite the opposite - R/Lav, was as Ron also put it, "mainly snogging", and the same can be said about H/G...that was the part Harry missed most too, wasn't it? Otherwise, neither said anything of consequence to either girl...it was a form of escapism for both Harry and Ron.
At the same time, we have Hermione,anguishing over her misfortune, and no one paying any sort of attention, except Harry...he did the best he could to comfort her...and if you recall, his schemes to make R/Hr talk are slightly biased towards making Hermione happy, because she's the one in greater distress...he carried her books after ron upset her, told her "don't look at me like that", just before he went off with DD, and near the end, Hermione practically threw herself on Harry at the hospital wing...
With that in mind, Hermione was worried...very worried, you might say, if the feeling of relief when she saw him alive was so large that she didn't let go of him for the longest time...at least, my experience tells me that such behaviour represents love...I could be worried about a friend, but their welfare shouldn't be enough reason to affect my composure and thought process to the point of incomprehension, as was the case in Hermione...and therein lies the difference between romance and platonic friendship...if it was Ron out there, she would still be worried, but not as much as she was for Harry...
Harry and Hermione do at least think the same thing...look in PS, I think it was around somewhere in the middle of the book, but it's one instance, where Ron is out of the loop, as usual. The setting was in the common room.
On the contrary, they have much in common, but chances are, you're already tired from reading this chapter, so I'll maybe leave it for another time,
and hey...Warner Bros are gonna do whatever sells...in this case it's HHr, so there...guess JK told them what it is at least ;)
otherwise, you do seem to be the only British person on here...otherwise we wouldn't be having such a great debate ;)
Issy Bridget:
No offense Katrina but you were pretty mean to Hallie.
And no way would I do that to a fiend!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who would want to break their friend's heart for a guy.
And sorry Sum but Hermione wouldn't want to break up Harry and Ginny ( not gonna happen) just for her own agenda.
Ron and Lavender Yes. But Hermione and Lavender never really were friends so Hermione didn't mind breaking them up.
Oh and the three things you mentioned, yea none of them happened at the same time.
And Harry didn't really care that she was with him, only for the party and only to get Ron jealous- don't beleive me? go look it up, she even said so. Harry was more concerned 'bout Qudditch.
And Harry did feel something more 'bout Ginny. It wasn't like Ron and Lavender.
And if you think that was throwing herself at him you have no idea what it really is.Of course she was worried, he's like her brother. So if you are one of the people who fall for their sibs, sure you have a solid base.
Really? You don 't care that much about even your best friend??? Wow, we should tell them.
And remember when Ron got poisined??? Yea Hermione was freakin' out.
Harry and Hermione may have a bit in common, but who wants to date someone just like them???
Really, how dull could that get.
Yea Warner Bros does what sells. And it's not H/HR. In CoS Movie the actors and actresses mentioned the tension between Ron and Hermione and that was why they didn't hug at the end. There was no tension between Harry and Hermione so it didn't matter.
Katrian- I meant the slang that you have in Britin. E.G. The whole snogging statement in HBP, confused me for a few pages. Yea we all speack English but everyone has their own dialect. And I know what a git is. I was just poking fun at Sum, sorry Sum, that he would call himself a git.
And be happy that you are the only Brit. You share the same country as J.K.R.
Sum1:
For the last time...I wasn't calling myself a git...I was SAYING I'm also Bulgarian, NOT a git...I was referring to the fact that Krum is a character based off my nationality...
Harry and Hermione have anything but a sibling relationship...currently, it's friendship, and honestly, R/Hr bickering is something me and my sister do all the time...and for obvious reasons, a relationship is simply a theoretical and a practical impossibility...
Issy Bridget:
Sorry, Jees relax.
Yes sibblings bicker. But not like how Ron and Hermione do. An dnot woth the same reasons behind it.
Sum1:
No worries, I'm not angry about anything...
Not true...RH bicker for the smallest of reasons...lovers would disagree, but not wage world war three over it...siblings would, and it's what RH do all the time...and you can see why romance would not work between them...
Katrina:
Sum1:
What can I say...I have a knack for making people see the light, that they remain speechless :p...but you're not completely correct...different views don't necessarily imply stupidity or wrongfulness...in this case, your bias does, and no offense is meant through that of course...what you can see clearly may be what others consider you insane for seeing ;) But it seems in your 3 month absence you yourself have had a spell of doubt about RH...no?
so where did we leave off here... oh yeah, constant fighting with your boyfriend...would you want that, if you were in Hermione's shoes? I think she would definitely reject a proposal of perpetual arguments with her "love"...
Katrina:
justhreed:
R/Hr 4eva. Everything else is just wishful thinking.
Katrina:
Sum1:
Another half hour, and the transformation would've been complete...I didn't say it was going to be painless :p
Revolting is the word I choose to describe the RH relationship from a romance standpoint as well...and everything else associated with it. I've yet to find a well written RH fic...it just cannot work between them, no matter how you twist it, in canon, or fandom...:)
Kudos to you too though...you're the most adamant shipper I've come across on the net...other Herons just give up in the face of concrete facts and infallible logic ;)
But feeling dirty...is that a good or a bad thing? :p I think the question merits some thought, at least...
But the problem I've come across more often, is that RH shippers use the interviews as their strongest argument...now, JK is not about to go reveal the truth about how DH turns out...but you're in the UK, so you might know a bit more than we do here in Canada, but that's not the point...us Harmonians, we rely solely on the books...there may be one or two interview quotes in favour, but not much else...we interpret it differently, but it's definitely not a strong point of our stance...
Katrina:
Sum1:
I grew up in Bulgaria, but I moved to Canada... I still visit now and then...
Actually, DH is an abbreviation for Deathly Hallows, the title of the book, and that's what I meant...surely you knew that ;)
No, JK would not lie to us, but yes, she's fickle enough to tease us. Women are fickle, and that's something I can confirm within my own life experience. Just look up HBP...if women aren't fickle, then how else d'you explain it...
"We know it's Ron and Hermione." It's a simple statement, and I don't oppose it. I question it, because the analytical side of me wants to get in the details of the matter. Her next phrase was "It's done now, isn't it?" The last words are not rhetorical...she wouldn't ask a question, if the outcome is RH. The two sentences are connected, they aren't separate. She implies indecision...in other words, she's saying, the decision is yours...it could be, or it might not be RH, but she isn't going to tell you...imagine Hermione not getting paired up with neither Harry nor Ron...what then?
What I take from the books are quotes JK wrote...I apply my interpretation to them,a and it makes sense...the dots connect, but not in the way the interviews point...from a purely objective stance, the interactions and dialogues between Harry and Hermione speak of friendship, but that's grown to be anything but platonic...they know each other too well...
As for the RH fics...I'm not saying they aren't well written. It's just that every time the romance between Ron and Hermione seems forced, as if they do it, because they're expected to, not because they want to...they're under the mistaken illusion that they have to fill someone else's expectations (Mrs. Weasley), rather than their own...which would be in favour of my ship :)
There's nothing wrong with the fanart...there are good artists on both sides, but I agree, most of it is rather...amateurish :)
If the end of HP is RH and HG, then I'll accept defeat...but then again, the higher you fly, the harder the fall...be prepared for a bitter disappointment, when HH does indeed happen...
Katrina:
Sum1:
Well then, a blush...she's not so tough after all... ;)
I think your snappish manner is merely a defense mechanism...but for what, I fail to comprehend...
There you go again, assuming the interview at face value...JK says something, but she can write it entirely differently...she hasn't officially declared that the conclusion is RH...oh no, as it has not appeared on her web site either...and she hasn't sunk my ship officially. Nowhere has she mentioned "Harry and Hermione are not happening" directly, and she hasn't said it on her website neither...that's perhaps my most tender hope that my ship sails...all the evidence for HH is just back up on that, and as cliche as it may sound, hope does die last...
Hermione does know Harry too well. In HBP, she was pissed at him, because he had the book, and didn't seem to need her - something that upset her greatly. She knew Harry wouldn't like to have a person like McLaggen on the team, and she helped overcome that obstacle. She was inquisitive about why he likes Ginny...well disguised jealousy? Possibly...
On the other hand, there's Ron...she couldn't figure out why he was mad at her all year long. He wouldn't tell her either. Why? Because that's the type of person Ron is...he accepts something and refuses to change. He wears his emotions on his sleeve, but his reason is strangely missing...that's one quality that would be a downfall to RH.
And you're backing me up about Molly...she's planning the HG wedding...therefore, she expects of Harry and Ginny to elope, and that was my point. Whether that would be the choice of the other two parties involved, well...that's a different matter. Harry will be just too withdrawn for Ginny at the end of the war...analogous to why you rarely hear your grandfather talk about WWII, and any queries are waved off...just as it was with mine.
And I hear you about the spark, and logically speaking, I understand a few months, a year...but seven years? Just seems a waste of time to invest energy in something so uncertain...RH should've happened books ago, if it was indeed meant to be...
Before I go...no, you don't feel a spark with any ofyour male friends, and that's fine, but I was talking specifically about the emotions invested in a friendship...in terms of HH, they are usually explained by reason, and are much more intense than the RH interactions...
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Hermione was seeing it as cheating, but there is also the fact that she's good friends with Harry...she also left out. Before, he always came for help to her. When that was taken away from her in HBP, she questioned her stance towards Harry. Why should she feel left out, or care that he's cheating for that matter? Her behavior in the sixth book clearly says that she missed Harry...learning that they should appreciate each other more, simply leads towards the further development of their feelings...with each progression, romance becomes ever more likely...
Hermione helped Ginny out, because she knew a romance has the chance of failing, and taking the friendship with it...she wasn't brave enough to risk it earlier...she was under the illusion that running away from a problem solves it...too bad it persisted ;) The question rests with Ginny...why did she seize the opportunity? Hero worship is one factor, and the fact that she can be Harry's ideal girl in an ideal world...
Yes, they didn't hook up because of pressure from Molly...but once she finds out, she will try to get them back together...she discouraged Bill and Fleur, because she didn't like the fair French maiden, but she practically adores Harry...to her, he and Ginny would be ideal together, and she'd do anything to make them go back together, just as she did everything to keep B/F apart...and failed.
If Harry becomes an extrovert, he's as good as dead. The Horcrux hunt requires secrecy and laying low. He's been secretive and closed himself off to the world for so long, it's become a part of his character...he hates publicity, and Ginny is the opposite...another year of secrecy won't necessarily bring him out, and even after the war, he will be a reclusive person...relieved, but living in peace is what he'll want...in OotP (or was it PoA?!), he told Mrs. Weasley that he liked the "quiet life"...
Yup, explosions...unbridled, hot, ferocious passion is always good :p I'm just worried it can be destructive, rather than constructive, as is always the case...Hermione can be a formidable debating opponent, and it's a widely known fact that in the real world, and in the fictional one, that women always win any argument, with the odd exception ;)...in this case, Hermione will come down on Ron hard, critique him, shout, possibly kick him, shout some more, insult him thoroughly, and then perhaps kick him again. Then they'd be OK. If he survives the ordeal, that is...but romance is a long way off...Ron can't mature mentally from a 10 to a 17 year old in the space of half a book...
Katrina: